[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[TomandJerry]

Rumours are that he will try and stay until October...

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wilson left because he was exhausted - he'd been leader for 14 years and PM for seven. We know now that the security services were actively plotting against him, there was the mess left by the Barber boom and the quadrupling of oil prices and there was the conflict between the pro-EU and anti-EU in his party (that led to the formation of the SDP four years later). He just want to retire to watch more football.

The handover was seamless then because the election was conducted among MPs only. It was speeded up considerably when Benn and Jenkins withdrew from the second ballot. Major similarly took over from Thatcher within a week. I think Home took an even shorter time to take over from Macmillan as they didn't have elections in those days.

Now, those pesky members decide things - that all takes time

I would rather the MPs elect the leader. In much the same way, I'd rather the consultants in a hospital appoint new doctors, rather than put it to a vote among the patients.

In the tory party the MPs have a series of votes to select two candidates who are then subjected to a membership ballot. Thus it is likely that if 'son/daugher of Johnson' emerges as one of the two, they will become the next PM. Let's hope the conservative MPs have the wit to keep the likes of Baker off the ballot. I am not confident....once the blue rinsers are let lose it will be more years of chaos.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Yes, I do worry that he’ll fudge it somehow. If not in one of the two ways you posit, then by finding a ‘reason’ to change his mind somehow between now and ‘the autumn’.

Hopefully, having mustered the balls to eventually do something about him, the Tory MPs have enough about them to ensure his departure is both real and permanent.

A disgrace of a man; truly appalling as a PM.

Find an excuse to get British troops actively involved in the war in Ukraine? then HEROICALLY change his mind to steer us through the war..

 

[Worthing exile]

Out of interest, with 50+ resignations, just how many jobs are there for MPs to have? I always thought that PPSs were Civil Servants.

 

[Surf's Up]

Rumours are that he will try and stay until October...

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Indeed - but given that they're all saying he can't be trusted, he's a liar, he's incompetent etc etc etc how can they continue to support him for another 5 minutes in power Totally ****ed up thinking.

 

[The Clamp]

Rumours are that he will try and stay until October...

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It’s no rumour. He has said that is what he intends to do. I imagine he may say that it’s a condition of his resignation. If he doesn’t get that I reckon he’ll force a VONC or call a snap election.


This may not be over.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Rumours are that he will try and stay until October...

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Been widely reported, so probably more than a rumour. Apparently he will offer to stay on a 'caretaker' PM. Imagine that, a man who only ever cares about himself, caretaker until October. Does that mean everyone that resigned returns for a few months? Madness. Get him gone now.

 

[A1X]

It’s no rumour. He has said that is what he intends to do. I imagine he may say that it’s a condition of his resignation. If he doesn’t get that I reckon he’ll force a VONC or call a snap election.


This may not be over.

Hope so, I was worried what I was going to watch this evening but Crisis Night 3 would be a great option

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Here is the nightmare scenario

Johnson, by resigning as leader, has precluded a 22 committee confidence vote.

Only losing the latter would preclude him from standing again as leader.

If his loyal supporters* back him, he could end up as one of the two candidates left standing for a member vote.

If the blue rinsers get a chance to vote for him as leader, he will be back in number ten before he's been required to leave.

*The question is: how many tory MPs would back him in a leadership contest. More than one might think, I fear.

 

[peterward]

Here is the nightmare scenario

Johnson, by resigning as leader, has precluded a 22 committee confidence vote.

Only losing the latter would preclude him from standing again as leader.

If his loyal supporters* back him, he could end up as one of the two candidates left standing for a member vote.

If the blue rinsers get a chance to vote for him as leader, he will be back in number ten before he's been required to leave.

*The question is: how many tory MPs would back him in a leadership contest. More than one might think, I fear.

interesting synopsis, as far fetched as it sounds, you wouldnt put it past Bojo trying, who seems desperate to cling on by any means, but I dont believe he would today get the support of enough of the grass roots according to polling.

He's done.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Here is the nightmare scenario

Johnson, by resigning as leader, has precluded a 22 committee confidence vote.

Only losing the latter would preclude him from standing again as leader.

If his loyal supporters* back him, he could end up as one of the two candidates left standing for a member vote.

If the blue rinsers get a chance to vote for him as leader, he will be back in number ten before he's been required to leave.

*The question is: how many tory MPs would back him in a leadership contest. More than one might think, I fear.

Sounds like the plan.

 

[vegster]

Been widely reported, so probably more than a rumour. Apparently he will offer to stay on a 'caretaker' PM. Imagine that, a man who only ever cares about himself, caretaker until October. Does that mean everyone that resigned returns for a few months? Madness. Get him gone now.

Resignations continue, he has to go NOW.

He can't remain in office in any form.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Here is the nightmare scenario

Johnson, by resigning as leader, has precluded a 22 committee confidence vote.

Only losing the latter would preclude him from standing again as leader.

If his loyal supporters* back him, he could end up as one of the two candidates left standing for a member vote.

If the blue rinsers get a chance to vote for him as leader, he will be back in number ten before he's been required to leave.

*The question is: how many tory MPs would back him in a leadership contest. More than one might think, I fear.

The 1922 could just change the rules to stop this.

He's gone. Yesterday's Zero.

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

 

[Gwylan]

Here is the nightmare scenario

Johnson, by resigning as leader, has precluded a 22 committee confidence vote.

Only losing the latter would preclude him from standing again as leader.

If his loyal supporters* back him, he could end up as one of the two candidates left standing for a member vote.

If the blue rinsers get a chance to vote for him as leader, he will be back in number ten before he's been required to leave.

*The question is: how many tory MPs would back him in a leadership contest. More than one might think, I fear.

The other scenario is that he does resign but, in an act of spite, leaves the Tory party to form his own group within parliament: taking with him his loyal acolytes - Mad Nad, JRM, Micky Fab, Bone etc. They team up with labour to force a VONC in the new PM, leading to a new general election. Johnson's new party then splits the Tory vote so they get battered.
Far fetched? Quite honestly, I wouldn't put anything past this man. He doesn't care about the party, parliament, the country or anyone but himself

 

[Icy Gull]

 

[beorhthelm]

Here is the nightmare scenario

Johnson, by resigning as leader, has precluded a 22 committee confidence vote.

Only losing the latter would preclude him from standing again as leader.

If his loyal supporters* back him, he could end up as one of the two candidates left standing for a member vote.

If the blue rinsers get a chance to vote for him as leader, he will be back in number ten before he's been required to leave.

*The question is: how many tory MPs would back him in a leadership contest. More than one might think, I fear.

reckon if he stood that would focus the MPs to back candidates to ensure he doesn't make it. and if he were on the ballot, not sure the blue rinse membership would want him any more. look beyond brexit he has nothing of substance to offer.

 

[Goldstone1976]

Find an excuse to get British troops actively involved in the war in Ukraine? then HEROICALLY change his mind to steer us through the war..

Oh Christ. That would likely lead to an all out war with Russia. Surely not even Johnson would risk that to cling onto power for a bit longer? The scary thing is that the answer to my question is very probably ‘yes, he’d do anything; anything at all if he could get away with it’.

 

[vegster]

Leave means Leave.

 

[mothy]

1100+ pages. & finally this thread is correct