[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The whitewashing of his legacy is already beginning on Sky News with the "he's not a bad man" spiel.

**** off. He's a lying, corrupt, venal, narcissist who has been more than happy to flirt with racism, sexism and homophobia and who treated the Queen, Parliament, his own cabinet colleagues and the British people at large with utter contempt. What follows may be worse in a different way but there are very, very few in the history of Parliament who are worse people than Boris Johnson. He's a boil on the arse of humanity.

And the BBC (radio 5) keep allowing morons to phone in and say how upset they are that Britain's greatest leader since Thatcher has been so cruelly and unfairy removed by traitors.

Pass the sick bag, Alice

 

[Mellotron]

Good. Now let’s get rid of the bloody lot of them.

You must be very shocked right now?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The whitewashing of his legacy is already beginning on Sky News with the "he's not a bad man" spiel.

**** off. He's a lying, corrupt, venal, narcissist who has been more than happy to flirt with racism, sexism and homophobia and who treated the Queen, Parliament, his own cabinet colleagues and the British people at large with utter contempt. What follows may be worse in a different way but there are very, very few in the history of Parliament who are worse people than Boris Johnson. He's a boil on the arse of humanity.

That is complete rubbish.

He wasn't that good.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

And the BBC (radio 5) keep allowing morons to phone in and say how upset they are that Britain's greatest leader since Thatcher has been so cruelly and unfairy removed by traitors.

Pass the sick bag, Alice

As Micky Flannagan said, they used to keep stupid people out of sight....now they're on the telly.

 

[Guinness Boy]

That wonderful term can be traced back to 1936 when Irish author Elizabeth Bowen published a review in the London periodical “The Spectator”.

Always good to keep a gem alive.

The good thing is that Raab, Patel and Baker all fit the same description so well that I imagine it won't be dying for a good long while.

Whereas Dorries and Truss are just regarded as stupid.

 

[birthofanorange]

When he resigns and presumably (as hinted on BBC) he stays until the autumn, do all 50+ who have resigned (so far) all trot back into work in a day or so, and continue to work alongside the man they've slagged off in resignation letters?
If not, how does he carry on 'leading' with most of his staff gone?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

At the moment we have no functioning government.

 

[Is it PotG?]

At the moment we have no functioning government.

Have no fear, Sir Keir is more than ready to step up and maintain the status quo.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

BBC Radio Nicky Campbell plumbs a new low in its search for callers who seem to have suffered a brain trauma as "Sue from somewhere" calls up tearfully to say it reminds her of 'The Lion King.'

ffs, can't the BBC's rolling news station abandon this ridiculous phone in for one day and actually broadcast the views of proper political analysts?

Not while the BBC board of directors are still in place as appointed by the Conservatives.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It’s also not quite as clear cut as you are saying. Tony Blair for instance had a two year departure punctuated by a series of defeats in Commons votes.

https://www.tutor2u.net/politics/reference/tony-blair-loses-control

Not exactly the same situation but someone also mentioned Theresa May. I would think it irresponsible for any PM to simply leave office with immediate effect. In the US this period is formalized into a set time period. There has to be a handover.
Don’t get me wrong though. There should be a General Election not a carve up by Tory MPs.

I never said it was clear cut. I was refuting your claim that Johnson's lingering departure represents a return to 'protocol'. It doesn't. Every change of power during a parliamentary term is unique. Blair, for example, had to contend with the problem of a vengeful chancellor hell-bent on achieving the office for which he was palpably unsuitable, torn between doing the right thing (leading) and allowing what appeared to be a tide of inevitability to determine events. Nobody knows why Wilson left so abruptly but the handover then was seamless.

I am inclined to feel that I agree with you about the need for a general election, though. The conservatives are in an invidious situation of being in power because Johnson won over the red wall and firmed up the blue vote at the same time, using the sunny uplands of Brexit as the bait. The conservative's right to govern is entirely predicated by Johnson.

So what right would a conservative successor have? He/she cannot claim to be the carrier of the Johnson flame. But what different phenotype would characterise a legitimate new tory PM? 'I'm just the same as Johnson, but without the lies'?

And what about the NI protocol? How will that be resolved without a continuation of bluster and nonsense? How will an actual adult deal with this?

If I were a tory MP, whether a Johnson acolyte, hard-edge ERG type, or one of the dwindling band of one-nation tories, I would need either delusional chutzpah, or debilitating humility to look the nation in the eye and claim that I deserve to lead them, and have the policies and talent to ensure the outcome is a success.

That said, if I were Starmer, looking at the absolute mess we are in, with worse to come, I would not be relishing the prospect of a general election victory. But I'm not a politician. Best of luck to him. He will need it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

6 years, four UK PMs. Strong and stable

 

[nicko31]

Its a long way back, 3 years so much damage.

I hope we never have a leader like this again...

 

[Lever]

Have no fear, Sir Keir is more than ready to step up and maintain the status quo.

Bad time for clumsy irony.......

Thanks for thumbs up [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] ....

Isn't it time you acknowledged and resisted making facile, sardonic comments as well?

 

[birthofanorange]

At the moment we have no functioning government.

Are you sure you meant 'functioning' or did a swear filter change it to that?

 

[beorhthelm]

If I were a tory MP, whether a Johnson acolyte, hard-edge ERG type, or one of the dwindling band of one-nation tories, I would need either delusional chutzpah, or debilitating humility to look the nation in the eye and claim that I deserve to lead them, and have the policies and talent to ensure the outcome is a success.

not really, they just resort to being elected by their constituencies and give confidence to who ever is the leader. same as with every other change of PM between elections, its pretty common.

 

[Mackenzie]

Cheerio

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I never said it was clear cut. I was refuting your claim that Johnson's lingering departure represents a return to 'protocol'. It doesn't. Every change of power during a parliamentary term is unique. Blair, for example, had to contend with the problem of a vengeful chancellor hell-bent on achieving the office for which he was palpably unsuitable, torn between doing the right thing (leading) and allowing what appeared to be a tide of inevitability to determine events. Nobody knows why Wilson left so abruptly but the handover then was seamless.

I am inclined to feel that I agree with you about the need for a general election, though. The conservatives are in an invidious situation of being in power because Johnson won over the red wall and firmed up the blue vote at the same time, using the sunny uplands of Brexit as the bait. The conservative's right to govern is entirely predicated by Johnson.

So what right would a conservative successor have? He/she cannot claim to be the carrier of the Johnson flame. But what different phenotype would characterise a legitimate new tory PM? 'I'm just the same as Johnson, but without the lies'?

And what about the NI protocol? How will that be resolved without a continuation of bluster and nonsense? How will an actual adult deal with this?

If I were a tory MP, whether a Johnson acolyte, hard-edge ERG type, or one of the dwindling band of one-nation tories, I would need either delusional chutzpah, or debilitating humility to look the nation in the eye and claim that I deserve to lead them, and have the policies and talent to ensure the outcome is a success.

That said, if I were Starmer, looking at the absolute mess we are in, with worse to come, I would not be relishing the prospect of a general election victory. But I'm not a politician. Best of luck to him. He will need it.

It wasn’t really a claim about a return to protocol, more an acceptance of one if it exists. Clearly it doesn’t then. It was also an observation that there are other PMs who dragged out their departures. We are already in July and MPs clear off on holiday soon so even if there were a GE it would be in the Autumn at the earliest. If there is instead a Tory leadership election and they appoint the new PM then surely that would be in/by the Autumn ? Johnson can’t just pack his bags and leave. Well, he can because he appears lacking in feelings of responsibility, but I wouldn’t encourage that.

 

[Springal]

6 years, four UK PMs. Strong and stable

But Ed Milliband would have given us ‘chaos’

 

[A1X]

When he resigns and presumably (as hinted on BBC) he stays until the autumn, do all 50+ who have resigned (so far) all trot back into work in a day or so, and continue to work alongside the man they've slagged off in resignation letters?
If not, how does he carry on 'leading' with most of his staff gone?

Tough for them to then come out and say they're against people withdrawing their labour for short periods in order to get their way when the next strike rolls around...

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

When he resigns and presumably (as hinted on BBC) he stays until the autumn, do all 50+ who have resigned (so far) all trot back into work in a day or so, and continue to work alongside the man they've slagged off in resignation letters?
If not, how does he carry on 'leading' with most of his staff gone?

So I'm not the only person to spot that there is nobody left in the room, not even an elephant.

Yes, will the rats crawl back into the offices they so recently left, or will they stay true? Will Johnson reappoint Gove? Will Sunak and Javid 'do the right thing' and resume their important roles till the new leader is elected?

Far cough! Unless Johnson is going to appoint a load of complete no-mark back benchers (and who would agree to such a role?) he'll have nobody, apart from Raab, Mad Nad and Moggy.

Raab must be in a complete state right now, still loyal, still in post, but this itself is reason for his not being supported if he throws his hat into the ring.

God help us all if an ERG man eventually wins the golden ticket. Steve Baker. FFS!

And here is some equally unpleasant music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMVgaZ0uUyc