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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
- Thread starter TomandJerry
- Start date
For an MP to resign from, you normally need them to be a person or honour OR they need some sort of force or internal party pressure to force them out.
Neither criteria has been reached. They are not going anywhere.
Obviously for anybody with an ounce of shame, yes. But we all know that does not apply in this case, so only an obligation to stand down, would see him do so.
Being proven to have lied to Parliament about the whole episode DOES in theory, oblige him to leave his post.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Wriggle on the hook, Johnson, wriggle.
Go on Rishi, resign. That'll put immense pressure on the clown next door to do likewise.
Go on Rishi, resign. That'll put immense pressure on the clown next door to do likewise.
The thing I don't understand, is why anybody who is pro-Tory would NOT want him to resign? Surely even the staunchest Tory can see that they would come out of this far, far better without him?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Johnson threw 21 decent Tories out of the HoC and removed the Whip. He made sure they were deselected for the Dec 2019 election. It is no longer the Conservative party but a mixture of UKIP and the mafia.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 31,274
Putting all political allegiances aside for a moment - surely there can be no other conclusion than the Prime Minister should resign?
I would be interested to hear from anyone who thinks that a PM can set the rules, then break the rules and lie to Parliament repeatedly about that and still carry on in the job, and what the justification for staying is.
If the PM doesn't resign over this then as a country we've crossed a line over standards from which there may be no way back.
I would be interested to hear from anyone who thinks that a PM can set the rules, then break the rules and lie to Parliament repeatedly about that and still carry on in the job, and what the justification for staying is.
If the PM doesn't resign over this then as a country we've crossed a line over standards from which there may be no way back.
It's the footballisation of politics, "my man" can do no wrong. Plus for many Johnson has credit from 2019 and "getting Brexit done" in the bank.
It's akin to when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose a single vote.
maffew
Well-known member
He 100% must resign but will use "there's a war in Ukraine we must move on lessons have been learnt" as a get out of jail card and get away with it
Hotchilidog
Well-known member
- Jan 24, 2009
- 9,130
If Johnson survives this it sets the precedent that being a serial liar and law breaker are no impediments for being PM and deciding how the rest of us get live in this country.
This is not about politics, it is about having confidence in the institutions that govern us regardless of whether they match your own ideological persuasion. Boris Johnson has shown nothing but contempt for the people this country since he took over as PM. At the very least we need a PM we can trust not to BS his way through the job.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Some people are saying "it's no worse than a speeding ticket". When I was a magistrate if you got a speeding ticket you got a stern letter from the Lord Chancellor; if you got a second speeding ticket you were out.
This isn't a party political issue, it's a question of honour and integrity; Johnson lied to Parliament and he cannot remain.
This isn't a party political issue, it's a question of honour and integrity; Johnson lied to Parliament and he cannot remain.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
As an aside, Carrie has had a fine issued.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 31,274
For which the British public voted, giving Boris a huge endorsement and a massive majority.
A lot of people need to take a long, hard look at themselves and accept they swallowed the lies fed to them by this utter charlatan.
Cue scapegoat/distraction No 743 . . . . .
head down, and resurrection on Monday as if nothing has happened . . .
head down, and resurrection on Monday as if nothing has happened . . .
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Traffic offences don't have to be put on job applications, unless it is for a driving job.
FPNs such as these are recorded by ACRO (Criminal Records Office)
I liked Peston's analysis, ending with "this is not just a slippery slope, it is the bottom of the slope". I rather fear, however, that the slope will dip further, as Johnson just won't resign.
Stato
Well-known member
- Dec 21, 2011
- 7,374
This will be the test of whether the Conservative Party as we knew it still exists. Had this happened at any point during the last century, the back benchers would have already had his head on a spike. They have always first and foremost been about retaining power and nobody, not even Thatcher was bigger than that for them. If they don't have him out now, they will be decimated in the local elections and then have him out.