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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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just seen truss on ch4 news, she managed to mispronounce "minsk", twice! it's not minks you bloody idiot
That is a DISGRACE.
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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she's only the foreign secretary, oxford educated, she can't be expected to know everything; you get a bit nervy when the clouds of war are gathering
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
I assume that the video I saw earlier of her speaking over the interpreter, and having to be stopped by other people at the table was fake. Nobody could be that dense?
Raleigh Chopper
New member
Dick's out!
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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Baldseagull
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A serving officer abducting, raping, and murdering a woman, and her being directly named as obstructing the Daniel Morgan independent panel report, in its digging up of corruption, should have been more than enough to have had her out. Having the career she has had after Jean Charles de Menezes suggests she has been keeping some secrets for someone powerful.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Liz Truss is so dense that light bends round her
Blimey (although it is the DT to be fair)…. ‘ Whisper it, but I’m beginning to see how Boris just might survive this’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/10/whisper-beginning-see-boris-just-might-survive/
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He’d never admit it, but Boris Johnson was all set to lock down the country last December. He was saved by his weakness. He had (again) been terrified by his scientific advisers, who wanted him to move quickly: he called a meeting for Monday December 20 to do the deed. But on the Friday before it, he lost a by-election. The next day Lord Frost resigned from the Government, appalled at its Left-wards drift. Three more Cabinet members said they’d quit if he took Sage’s advice. When the lockdown meeting came, he buckled.
The Prime Minister we see before us now is a very different creature to the one who governed by diktat for the best part of two years. He’s humbly asking Tory MPs what to do, then doing it. It’s humiliating, but it’s greatly improving the quality of the Government. He has broken free from Sage (whose advice on omicron turned out to be bunkum) and didn’t seek its advice before deciding to abolish all remaining Covid restrictions a month early. Warming to his theme, he’s now referring to this as “freedom day”.
Some of his worst ideas are being abandoned. His plans to set up an all-powerful Animal Sentience Committee to judge government policy now look doomed. His anti-obesity strategy – whereby a Conservative government would tell shops what sort of food they could and could not promote – is being shelved.
“That was his personal idea,” says one minister, “so to see it abandoned showed how his personal power has vanished. But it helps him. People resent him less.”
Politically, this is certainly humbling – but it seems to be working insofar as the rebellion is losing steam. Parliament is breaking up for half-term with no immediate threat to his leadership. He has been lucky in his enemies: when Christian Wakeford defected to Labour he revived the Tories’ sense of tribal loyalty. Being attacked by Sir John Major, who has never recovered from the Brexit referendum result, will also have helped him. An attempt to change the rules of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers – to make it easier to depose him – has also failed.
This holds out the prospect – no more than that – of the big-state, bossy Boris giving way to the buccaneering, risk-taking and freedom-loving leader they thought they were getting when they first elected him. So far, it seems he’s prepared to do anything to survive. Even reform the NHS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/10/whisper-beginning-see-boris-just-might-survive/
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He’d never admit it, but Boris Johnson was all set to lock down the country last December. He was saved by his weakness. He had (again) been terrified by his scientific advisers, who wanted him to move quickly: he called a meeting for Monday December 20 to do the deed. But on the Friday before it, he lost a by-election. The next day Lord Frost resigned from the Government, appalled at its Left-wards drift. Three more Cabinet members said they’d quit if he took Sage’s advice. When the lockdown meeting came, he buckled.
The Prime Minister we see before us now is a very different creature to the one who governed by diktat for the best part of two years. He’s humbly asking Tory MPs what to do, then doing it. It’s humiliating, but it’s greatly improving the quality of the Government. He has broken free from Sage (whose advice on omicron turned out to be bunkum) and didn’t seek its advice before deciding to abolish all remaining Covid restrictions a month early. Warming to his theme, he’s now referring to this as “freedom day”.
Some of his worst ideas are being abandoned. His plans to set up an all-powerful Animal Sentience Committee to judge government policy now look doomed. His anti-obesity strategy – whereby a Conservative government would tell shops what sort of food they could and could not promote – is being shelved.
“That was his personal idea,” says one minister, “so to see it abandoned showed how his personal power has vanished. But it helps him. People resent him less.”
Politically, this is certainly humbling – but it seems to be working insofar as the rebellion is losing steam. Parliament is breaking up for half-term with no immediate threat to his leadership. He has been lucky in his enemies: when Christian Wakeford defected to Labour he revived the Tories’ sense of tribal loyalty. Being attacked by Sir John Major, who has never recovered from the Brexit referendum result, will also have helped him. An attempt to change the rules of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers – to make it easier to depose him – has also failed.
This holds out the prospect – no more than that – of the big-state, bossy Boris giving way to the buccaneering, risk-taking and freedom-loving leader they thought they were getting when they first elected him. So far, it seems he’s prepared to do anything to survive. Even reform the NHS.
I mean the whole article is ridiculous, but this bit is particularly hilarious.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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This has always Johnson's problem though. The current Government is a marriage of convenience. With direction on policy coming from "wherever", it will tie itself in knots and start making contradictory statements about policy.
Weak leaders generally don't win elections.
With an option of being hanged, drawn and quartered beforehand.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Yes it is wrong, because it makes you no better than the far right loons who hang around outside parliament.
Raleigh Chopper
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Very interesting QT tonight.
It seems the entire audience and certainly all bar one of the guests were totally against and have sussed out Boris Johnson and the government on...
Taking away covid restrictions too early to get Johnson off the hook.
Yes he should apologise to Starmer.
Leaving the EU was a mistake for many reasons (thickos kept quiet)
Patel is weak for not sacking Dick weeks ago.
Johnson is a serial, not to be trusted liar.
The one person who disagreed with the whole audience was of course George (useless) Eustace who pathetically lived up to his nickname.
It seems that the general public are not bored, have not given up and hate the clown we have as a PM.
They see right through him for what he is.
It seems the entire audience and certainly all bar one of the guests were totally against and have sussed out Boris Johnson and the government on...
Taking away covid restrictions too early to get Johnson off the hook.
Yes he should apologise to Starmer.
Leaving the EU was a mistake for many reasons (thickos kept quiet)
Patel is weak for not sacking Dick weeks ago.
Johnson is a serial, not to be trusted liar.
The one person who disagreed with the whole audience was of course George (useless) Eustace who pathetically lived up to his nickname.
It seems that the general public are not bored, have not given up and hate the clown we have as a PM.
They see right through him for what he is.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Yes it was a bit like that, but Eustace was pretty straight up on his feelings for Dick and far from complimentary on how the (soon to be ex) commissioner had handled and failed to grapple issues.
I expected a bit little bit more support tonight, but it looks like Dick has been hung out to dry.
It will be interesting if that's the official view of the Government or just those of a lone member.
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I guess it largely depends on whether or not we think Eustace is capable of independent thought or just another sheep in a suit
Yes it is. Much as I dislike them both are still fathers and their children have done nothing wrong.
I'd much prefer publicly humiliated, shamed from public life and (in one case) possibly subject to criminal investigations.
To be fair, it's from Newport. At the best of times, Tories are in short supply around there (and QT does try to make its audiences reflect the political leanings of the host town).
What's been enlightening has been the hostility shown to the government in recent weeks, where the programme has been hosted in Conservative territory