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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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Thank goodness I don't live in London !
nicko31
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Don't tell me the Tories are trying to buy votes against the broader long term interests of the country?
Tax cut promises may need to be rolled back - IFS think tank
Tax cuts pledges in election campaigns may have to be rolled back amid economic issues, a report warns.
www.bbc.co.uk
From that article…Don't tell me the Tories are trying to buy votes against the broader long term interests of the country?
Tax cut promises may need to be rolled back - IFS think tank
Tax cuts pledges in election campaigns may have to be rolled back amid economic issues, a report warns.www.bbc.co.uk
"Tax cuts today add to the risk of tax rises or spending cuts tomorrow," the Institute for Fiscal Studies said.
Politicians need to be honest about tough economic trade-offs, it added.
But the Treasury said the economy was turning a corner, and that growth would mean more funding for public services.
1. They are bloody experts. The Country voted against experts in 2016.
2. This will mean Labour might have to put taxes up when they win the election and can be accused of breaking promises/being a high tax party.
TomandJerry
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The next UK government will face the toughest tax and spending decisions in 70 years, according to a leading think tank.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said a combination of high interest rates and weak growth means whoever wins the general election later this year will find it “more difficult to reduce debt as a fraction of national income than in any parliament since at least the 1950s.”
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said a combination of high interest rates and weak growth means whoever wins the general election later this year will find it “more difficult to reduce debt as a fraction of national income than in any parliament since at least the 1950s.”
Machiavelli
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They regard their route to power as a more traditional Tory electoral strategy, which is to align them with economic competence and moderation alongside favouring tax cuts -- while, at the same time, depicting Labour as incompetent, immoderate and favouring public profligacy (largely through focusing on Labour's current commitment to the green prosperity plan). The key part of this strategy will be (largely unaffordable) tax cuts that Hunt delivers in the budget.Don't tell me the Tories are trying to buy votes against the broader long term interests of the country?
Tax cut promises may need to be rolled back - IFS think tank
Tax cuts pledges in election campaigns may have to be rolled back amid economic issues, a report warns.www.bbc.co.uk
It's that that will be what we'll be subjected to primarily over the next 10 months.
What it ignores is that, for all sorts of reasons, the UK economy is in a dire condition in comparison to just about every historical comparator. That means that society and politics is also in a dire condition. As just two examples, public services are on their knees and local government is in or on the verge of bankruptcy. To turn that round will require investment, which requires either growth (unlikely on recent evidence) or increased taxation. And that's before debt starts to be repaid -- there's a far more valid question as to whether that's necessary.
Machiavelli
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I absolutely HATE Chris Philp who I was subjected to on the Today interview this morning.
In that, he mentioned the previous Labour government no fewer than three times. Two of those was to indicate that they hadn't introduced knife legislation, despite the fact that the Tories didn't do so until 2016, and that the phenomenon Philp was addressing didn't even exist in 2010. The third was to mention that 'Labour crashed the economy' and that the poor Tories were left with no options. They did have options and chose the wrong one, and the economic record of the two party governments over 13+ years strongly favours Labour on just about every metric.
Following on from my prior post, we're going to hear an awful lot more -- again -- about Labour crashing the economy.
In that, he mentioned the previous Labour government no fewer than three times. Two of those was to indicate that they hadn't introduced knife legislation, despite the fact that the Tories didn't do so until 2016, and that the phenomenon Philp was addressing didn't even exist in 2010. The third was to mention that 'Labour crashed the economy' and that the poor Tories were left with no options. They did have options and chose the wrong one, and the economic record of the two party governments over 13+ years strongly favours Labour on just about every metric.
Following on from my prior post, we're going to hear an awful lot more -- again -- about Labour crashing the economy.
Thunder Bolt
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The irony being that Rishi Sunak worked for Goldman Sachs as a hedge fund manager.
The trouble is that this cabinet is full of inexperienced politicians. Lucy Fraser has only been an MP since 2015.
Sir Simon Clark, who yesterday was being touted as one of the Tory’s big beasts has only been an MP since 2017. He supported Liz Truss and so was only in cabinet for 40 odd days, got his knighthood from Boris Johnson for being a sycophant, and has otherwise achieved very little.
We are being led by donkeys.
keaton
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Britain’s richest 10% don’t think they’re wealthy – and that’s disastrous in the fight against inequality | Anoosh Chakelian
Labour’s plan to charge private schools VAT has caused predictable uproar and revealed skewed perceptions of wealth, says the New Statesman’s Anoosh Chakelian
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Thought this was interesting and seemed as good a place at any
What a truly ignorant pig of a man he truly is. Devoid of all good manners; his parents did a good job with him.
TomandJerry
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The UK would break international law if it ignored emergency orders from the European court of human rights to stop asylum seekers being flown to Rwanda, the head of the court has said.
Síofra O’Leary, the ECHR president, told a press conference there was a “clear obligation” for member states to take account of rule 39 orders, interim injunctions issued by the Strasbourg-based court.
While the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, has not definitively said he would ignore any such orders, he has held open the prospect, saying he has been “crystal clear repeatedly, that I won’t let a foreign court stop us from getting flights off”.
Síofra O’Leary, the ECHR president, told a press conference there was a “clear obligation” for member states to take account of rule 39 orders, interim injunctions issued by the Strasbourg-based court.
While the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, has not definitively said he would ignore any such orders, he has held open the prospect, saying he has been “crystal clear repeatedly, that I won’t let a foreign court stop us from getting flights off”.
Thunder Bolt
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Sunak knows he is lying. The Rwanda plan broke seven laws including British law. The ECHR isn't a 'foreign court'. It includes British judges in it and it's integral to the Council of Europe, of which Britain is still a member, and the Good Friday Agreement.
We are all being gaslit big time.
Thunder Bolt
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Oh, by the way, if you want a good laugh, look at Nicola Sturgeon's WhatsApp messages being revealed at the Covid Enquiry today.
Greg Bobkin
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I know it's not really news, but I actually think the Tories have lost the plot over this Rwanda issue. Not only has it mushroomed from a diversion tactic, it's become seemingly the ONE THING that Sunak is pinning his election hopes to. Beside all that, it's not even dealing with the issue at source, which should be done BEFORE the people get on the boats in France in the first place, FFS!
Then, if/when the migrants get to Rwanda, you can guarantee it will all go to shit – for them and Rwandans, too. Meanwhile the Tories will wash their hands with the whole nasty business and pretend it was nothing to do with them anymore. All the time people will STILL keep coming across the channel.
As I said, it doesn't really surprise me that yet another issue is being dealt with incompetence upon incompetence, but these are meant to be the best people lead the country.
Absolutely bonkers.
Then, if/when the migrants get to Rwanda, you can guarantee it will all go to shit – for them and Rwandans, too. Meanwhile the Tories will wash their hands with the whole nasty business and pretend it was nothing to do with them anymore. All the time people will STILL keep coming across the channel.
As I said, it doesn't really surprise me that yet another issue is being dealt with incompetence upon incompetence, but these are meant to be the best people lead the country.
Absolutely bonkers.
BBassic
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No, you don't understand.
The Rwanda plan is The Will of The People™ and thus must be accomplished even if it flies in the face of things that are not The Will of The People™. Things like logic and affordability and, yes, the very efficacy of the plan itself.
Thunder Bolt
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One of the biggest sellers of Brexit was taking back control, and their incompetence shows there is 'no control'. In fact, Immigration has risen.
Machiavelli
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Shitler is going to stick
TomandJerry
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I fear it'll be the next Brexit style issue, I'm not 100% convinced leaving the ECHR won't be in the Tory manifesto with this Rwanada issue being the main stick being used to push leaving it.
TomandJerry
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Ministers have been accused of throwing away taxpayers’ money “as if it were confetti” after official figures revealed that the government wasted nearly £10bn on defective or unusable personal protective equipment during the Covid crisis.
Annual accounts for the Department of Health and Social Care published on Thursday show that nearly three-quarters of the money it spent on PPE during the pandemic has been written off.
The figures show £9.9bn of the £13.6bn worth of PPE that the department bought between 2020 and 2022 was unusable or its value is now less than the government paid for it. This includes defective or unsuitable equipment as well as PPE that could not be used before its expiry date.
Annual accounts for the Department of Health and Social Care published on Thursday show that nearly three-quarters of the money it spent on PPE during the pandemic has been written off.
The figures show £9.9bn of the £13.6bn worth of PPE that the department bought between 2020 and 2022 was unusable or its value is now less than the government paid for it. This includes defective or unsuitable equipment as well as PPE that could not be used before its expiry date.
nicko31
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Yeah, but what if we’d had Jeremy Corbyn ?