[News] Top Iranian military commander killed by air strikes

[SeagullDubai]

At the risk of appearing slightly selfish, I'd rather that didn't happen.

Seconded

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[Wellesley]

And that, everyone, is how fake news spreads so easily - Ignore the facts, spread the absolute BS.

News you don't like you call fake. As I said, Radio Five was the source, not from me. But when a left wing rag reports something anti Trump, that's gospel. Should you even be on this board?

 

[mikeyjh]

News you don't like you call fake. As I said, Radio Five was the source, not from me. But when a left wing rag reports something anti Trump, that's gospel. Should you even be on this board?

I've called you out on this already, see below, you are entirely wrong and you know it. You may have a little more credibility of you held your hands up to it.

So obvious that the more intelligent Trump haters would jump to this conclusion. Strange that this targeted attack had the full support of the Democrats too.

Really?

Democratic presidential candidates condemn killing of Iran general: - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/03/iran-general-killing-democrats-reaction

Lawmakers not told of attack, democrats warn of costly war:- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...t-told-attack-qassim-soleimani-top-democrats/

U.S. strike on top Iranian commander sharply divides Congress:- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/03/iran-us-war-powers-congress/

 

[Wellesley]

I've called you out on this already, see below, you are entirely wrong and you know it. You may have a little more credibility of you held your hands up to it.

It seems all are happy that he is dead. They are not happy that they were not informed and they are saying that it is a dangerous move, although they are not privvy to the intelligence that the President (and of course you) had. Is killing him more dangerous than leaving him alive?

 

[Wardy's twin]

UJ was tindered too.

To many Iranians we are one and the same.

 

[CHAPPERS]

It seems all are happy that he is dead. They are not happy that they were not informed and they are saying that it is a dangerous move, although they are not privvy to the intelligence that the President (and of course you) had. Is killing him more dangerous than leaving him alive?

There is the issue that Trump did tell a member of Congress, just not Pelosi who should be first to know. He told
Lindsey Graham at Mar-A-Lago. That’s not right.


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[carlzeiss]

There is the issue that Trump did tell a member of Congress, just not Pelosi who should be first to know. He told
Lindsey Graham at Mar-A-Lago. That’s not right.


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Why would he risk the Iranians being tipped off ?

 

[Bakero]

I think here in the West we’re sometimes almost conditioned to loath our own government, society, civilisation etc by virtue of being freely allowed to express this, to a point where people actually believe our leaders, ancestors etc are to blame, or mostly to blame, for everything rather than the collection of stereotypical fast show despots that ruthlessly ruled or continue to rule Middle Eastern countries. As if butter wouldn’t melt in their mouths!

However, the incontestable fact is that the Middle East has been a centre of conflict for two millennia or more, which precedes the discovery of oil and even America itself. Nope, the Arabs have always warred amongst themselves and probably always will whether it’s us, America, Russia, the Ottomans, Mongols or even those damned Romans (what did they ever do for anyone?) trying to influence the latest regional strongman.

2 things.

1. Iran is not an Arabic country.
2. Europeans have been involved in a fair few wars over the last 2000 years.

 

[GT49er]

There is a more sophisticated response though, it's not a binary choice. Most people would, albeit reluctantly, align ourselves with Trumps America than Iran but that doesn't mean we have to support this action. Trump, for his own reasons, has sought to drive a wedge between the West and Iran, he has been deliberately provocative. This allows him to justify the latest move but it's extremely dangerous, Iran will respond and things may escalate, it's all so bloody predictable.

Put another way, we would all align ourselves with the US and UK in the early noughties against Saddam's Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan, it doesn't mean we supported the military action. Certainly in hindsight, it didn't work.

Binary choice? No - no choice at all. We're stuck with both sides and can do sweet FA about either of them. If we have any sort of choice at al, it's 'like it or lump it'.

 

[portlock seagull]

2 things.

1. Iran is not an Arabic country.
2. Europeans have been involved in a fair few wars over the last 2000 years.

1. It is in the generic sense I meant, in the same way we’re all lumped together as ‘the west’ whatever that means.
2. Indeed, as has every nation, past or present. And Every tribe, past or present. But as a region, the Middle East has and always will be fought over for the myriad of reasons mentioned. It’s rather unique in that sense. More than even Europe, which definitely comes a close second.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

And that, everyone, is how fake news spreads so easily - Ignore the facts, spread the absolute BS.

Actually it's you who are the perfect example of how fake news is taken as truth.

You claim what I said is "fake news" and yet here's one of the Democrat Presidential candidates pointing out what I stated is in fact correct.



So I'm going with Tulsi Gabbard over your view.

Just to quote her own words...

If you're sick of the new McCarthyism and warmongering by Hillary and her cohorts, then join our campaign. We need your support. Democrat, Republican, Independent—it doesn't matter. We need to unite to usher in a govt which is of, by, and for the people.

 

[Normandy seagull]

I think Ali J must have had this on his mind when he tried another overhead biycle kick today

 

[SeagullinExile]

Reports of a rocket explosion near the US embassy in Baghdad along with another attack on an airforce base used by the US. All unconfirmed at the moment.

 

[bomber130]

I see Iran has appointed an new general. If I was him I would be running everywhere. Just in case there was a missile aimed at my swede.


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[vegster]

Reports of a rocket explosion near the US embassy in Baghdad along with another attack on an airforce base used by the US. All unconfirmed at the moment.

Highly likely the work of a few disaffected hotheads, the real stuff will come later. Oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz usually favourite.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Highly likely the work of a few disaffected hotheads, the real stuff will come later. Oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz usually favourite.

Possibly. But I do think they will have human targets in mind. An eye for an eye and all that.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Why would he risk the Iranians being tipped off ?

Then why tell anyone?


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[vegster]

Raab playing with a very straight bat on Marr this morning, refused to condem the extra-judicial killing of a senior figure of a foreign government in a third country. Aren't we supposed to be better than this as a free western democracy ?

Trying to think what the US response would be if Mike Pompeo was blown up by an admitted Iranian bomb in Paris. As Mrs V just said to me " are we seriously allowed to just blow up government leaders we don't like? "

 

[beorhthelm]

Trying to think what the US response would be if Mike Pompeo was blown up by an admitted Iranian bomb in Paris. As Mrs V just said to me " are we seriously allowed to just blow up government leaders we don't like? "

need to point out this is a military leader, not goverment, that is held responsbile for directing actions against US and others. some context, this is one of a series of incidents, there was a US fatality last week, attack on the US embassy. US had already sent in 750-3000 new troops depending on sources. the situation in Iraq is not stable, with a weak government propped up by US army and Iranian backed militias, with the inference that Iran was/is preparing a coup.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Mike Pence is trying to justify it by linking Suleimani to 9.11, which doesn't make any sense at all. Since when did Sunni and Shi'ites work together?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/us/politics/pence-iran-factcheck.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur