[News] Top Iranian military commander killed by air strikes

[clapham_gull]

Our government not warned in advance of the air strike.

#littleengland

 

[GT49er]

Do we only have a choice of two things?

Well, at the moment we've got both to contend with both, so not much choice really.

 

[portlock seagull]

Britain and USA are hated by Iran because we spent the first 80 years of the 20th Century trying to steal their oil. We didn't do it very well, backed a weak and two faced character (Shah) and weren't very good at dealing effectively with the opposition (Khomeini) so with such a poor track record it might be better if we tried to stay out of it this time.

If it comes down to a two horse race then I would back the West but I personally think we should steer away from Trump as he is shown that he doesn't respect his 'allies' e.g. treatment of the Kurds and his threat to dump UK bred , ISIS terrorists in our country.

I think here in the West we’re sometimes almost conditioned to loath our own government, society, civilisation etc by virtue of being freely allowed to express this, to a point where people actually believe our leaders, ancestors etc are to blame, or mostly to blame, for everything rather than the collection of stereotypical fast show despots that ruthlessly ruled or continue to rule Middle Eastern countries. As if butter wouldn’t melt in their mouths!

However, the incontestable fact is that the Middle East has been a centre of conflict for two millennia or more, which precedes the discovery of oil and even America itself. Nope, the Arabs have always warred amongst themselves and probably always will whether it’s us, America, Russia, the Ottomans, Mongols or even those damned Romans (what did they ever do for anyone?) trying to influence the latest regional strongman.

 

[portlock seagull]

Our government not warned in advance of the air strike.

#littleengland

The way trump governs, his chiefs of staff probably didn’t know either! We’re a long way down the list now aren’t we. Still, by tweeting to all from the toilet at least everyone gets to find out at the same time. Which is nice.

 

[portlock seagull]

Kill, kill, kill. I do not align myself to today’s murder.

That’s fine Knocky, I don’t either. But don’t make the mistake of mourning for this guy either. He’s got more than a bit of blood on his hands. He certainly wasn’t murdered. He’s a combatant in a combat zone. Killed in the line of duty is a more accurate description. Least it would have been quick and painless, a death many of his victims never had.

 

[London Irish]

Just some shitty nationalistic crap to get re-elected, Democrats should be impeaching him for this, not that Ukraine bolix

 

[Pavilionaire]

Looks like the Orange Oaf will start a dangerous war.

After recent ground and air strikes I'm expecting further Iranian attacks on Wednesday.

So in about 14 hours.

 

[teammelli]

For those looking to understand the situation a bit better, take a look at these two articles below, written by some top researchers.

Also, if you want my two pence, it seems highly unlikely that there will be an immediate “big-show” type of reaction. It is not how IRGC historically have acted or reacted. For better or worse, the Iranian government has learned how to survive. This means that it is unlikely they will take a huge uncalculated risk that opens them up to full scale assault, whether on easily-accessible refineries or on internal areas. This also means that hopefully there will not be a huge sudden culmination to open war. But I do worry about the long-term implications of this and the lives of many innocents caught in the middle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/opinion/iran-soleimani-revolutionary-guard.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/03/donald-trump-qassem-suleimani-haunt-quds-iran

 

[sydney]

Guess you would have to ask the innocent people who will die as a result of this?

hmm....have read up on it ....it's bad....

 

[sydney]

Well, World War III is now trending so I'm guessing.........bad?

"trending " ffs humans are just stupid.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Strange that this targeted attack had the full support of the Democrats too.

It's not strange at all. It's highly predictable.

The Democrats are balls deep into the military complex. Party is full of warmongers. As is the media that props them up.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Why would such a high profile Iranian General be in Iraq is a question I'd like answered.

If he wasn't invited there by the Iraqi Government then he's there for more nefarious reasons and as such makes himself a target.

No doubt the intelligence used to locate and strike at him probably came from Iraqi sources that are fighting Iranian influence in Iraq.

 

[Stat Brother]

I assume this is here somewhere but I'll post anyway:-

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[mikeyjh]

So obvious that the more intelligent Trump haters would jump to this conclusion. Strange that this targeted attack had the full support of the Democrats too.

It's not strange at all. It's highly predictable.

The Democrats are balls deep into the military complex. Party is full of warmongers. As is the media that props them up.

And that, everyone, is how fake news spreads so easily - Ignore the facts, spread the absolute BS.

 

[mikeyjh]

Well, at the moment we've got both to contend with both, so not much choice really.

There is a more sophisticated response though, it's not a binary choice. Most people would, albeit reluctantly, align ourselves with Trumps America than Iran but that doesn't mean we have to support this action. Trump, for his own reasons, has sought to drive a wedge between the West and Iran, he has been deliberately provocative. This allows him to justify the latest move but it's extremely dangerous, Iran will respond and things may escalate, it's all so bloody predictable.

Put another way, we would all align ourselves with the US and UK in the early noughties against Saddam's Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan, it doesn't mean we supported the military action. Certainly in hindsight, it didn't work.

 

[Triggaaar]

Doubt BJ will have much choice. We have voted democratically to leave the EU and become the 51st state by default. We know how Trump likes to use trade wars to get his way. We will want that trade deal. It may well come with "strings"

But our trade deal with the EU is more important, and may yet tie our hands regarding any deal with the US.

 

[Triggaaar]

Neither do you know much about the rebel groups. Houthis in Yemen have been very effective in their insurgency. Hezbollah aren't pushovers, either and both are very experienced.

It isn't about being 'decent' either, it's about disruption; such as DNR/LNR in Eastern Ukraine.

Woooosh

 

[Zebedee]

I fear Trumps actions are an attempt at placating his fan base at home on this election year, it's a very worrying event this is not a rouge leader of some terrorist organisation but a General of a sovereign state I hope our Government condemns the US actions

They would have had good reasons, of that you can be sure.

 

[WATFORD zero]

But our trade deal with the EU is more important, and may yet tie our hands regarding any deal with the US.

But shirley the plan is to negotiate the US deal alongside the EU deal. (Maybe even get them both completed this year).

After all, if we were going to do them sequentially, could you imagine how long it would take just to replace the 40 free trade deals that the EU has. That would be ridiculous

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It's all detailed in "Proof of Conspiracy".

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel, Egypt conspired with a crooked US President to go to war with Iran. Russia would need to move aside - in a quid pro quo for the US lifting of sanctions imposed because of the partial invasion of Ukraine.


Click for excerpt from book :

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1213291670856458241?s=19