Tommy Robinson

[Silverhatch]

You have to be joking, all elected governments do what they are told to by big business and the economic market. The only time I can think of when the government did what it thought was in the general population's interest was the Labour government that replaced Churchill and the Tories. The only reason this happened was because they were scared of a working class that had just been demobbed after winning a war, so we had all the concessions and reforms to improve the lives of the masses. Once the threat of armed revolt passed the meaning of reform did a 180 and we saw the dismantling of all those gains.

All parts of the world are feeling the effects of globalisation and the digital revolution both economically and culturally. Wealth distribution mirrors that of the early Industrial Revolution. Unlike the 1800s - the presence and growth of artificial intelligence might just f*** everyone over except the establishment, billionaires and despots. Liberal democracy is teetering in the face of such onslaughts.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

Theft and looting by illegal immigrants around London......



I just had a look on social media to find out what's really going on in Australia.
Apparently, according to some bloke, Neddy Kelly-Robinson, Aboriginal cannibals are eating ordinary working class white babies.

This springs to mind…..

“We are far too willing to reject the belief that much of what we see in life is random.” Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, fast and slow.

Does The Law of Small Numbers Explain Many Myths?

Daniel Kahneman points out that many scientists and market researchers often fall foul of a common human bias - the law of small numbers!

conversion-uplift.co.uk

 

[Berty23]

Do you recall the Panama Papers which quietly established that there was a shadowy cabal of billionaires with a network of lawyers, lobbyists, think tanks, 'charitable' interest groups and the like being used to steer governments and policy in their preferred direction across the globe?
Or that the journalist who got the story was killed in an entirely unconnected car bombing shortly afterwards though the whole story died down remarkably quickly.

This isn’t even hidden anymore though. Google Tufton street. All those lot are funded by big business to push an agenda. Obviously they get slots on the news and panel shows talking about their “research” which is what they have been paid to say.

They are generally right wing though.

 

[Nitram]

There are certainly billionaires trying to influence British politics and control Starmer. They’re called Musk and Putin and I don’t think eliminating Islamophobia is exactly on their agenda.

Yes it’s wonderful how the ‘englightened’ perceive the rest of us as pawns moved around the chessboard of life whereas they can’t see they have puppet masters.

 

[Berty23]

Yes it’s wonderful how the ‘englightened’ perceive the rest of us as pawns moved around the chessboard of life whereas they can’t see they have puppet masters.

It is amazing really. Russian troll farms, Chinese fake news. Musk tweeting whatever the heck he likes. As Matt le tissier would say “makes you think”

 

[nickjhs]

Yes of course, I worded that badly. I guess my point was more that the UK electorate do little to discourage them from doing so.

As you so rightly say it has been a very long time since a government has been concerned about the power of the electorate. The electorate seem hesitant to weild it.

where is the power in being asked to elect the least worst option

 

[BadFish]

where is the power in being asked to elect the least worst option

I wonder if the shite options you face, all having little to no regard for the electorate is a symptom of previous poor choices.

Despite Starmer Labour Party being far better than the previous government(s). They are still painted by the press as 'the worst' with their lack of respect for the electorate being highlighted.

From where I sit the UK electorate has a very long way to go before they are going to be respected enough by the political classes to be given worthwhile options.

Similar to the US, the electorate in its wisdom has chosen to give the political elite a bloody nose by voting for Brexit and Nigel bloody Farage.

To my mind the power in voting for the least worst party over the even worse (who many seem to be turning to) is incremental improvement and an ability to hold the worst to account somewhat. Turn the race to the bottom on its head so to speak.

You question begs the reverse question: where is the power in continuing to vote for the worst option (13 years or austerity, Brexit, lies and scandal) or voting for the even worse (far right, hatred, racism' grifter and charlatans)?

 

[jcdenton08]

I wonder if the shite options you face, all having little to no regard for the electorate is a symptom of previous poor choices.

Despite Starmer Labour Party being far better than the previous government(s). They are still painted by the press as 'the worst' with their lack of respect for the electorate being highlighted.

From where I sit the UK electorate has a very long way to go before they are going to be respected enough by the political classes to be given worthwhile options.

Similar to the US, the electorate in its wisdom has chosen to give the political elite a bloody nose by voting for Brexit and Nigel bloody Farage.

To my mind the power in voting for the least worst party over the even worse (who many seem to be turning to) is incremental improvement and an ability to hold the worst to account somewhat. Turn the race to the bottom on its head so to speak.

You question begs the reverse question: where is the power in continuing to vote for the worst option (13 years or austerity, Brexit, lies and scandal) or voting for the even worse (far right, hatred, racism' grifter and charlatans)?

If I understood that correctly, Labour are the least worst option and we should be grateful for that?

It feels like even the staunchest Labour supporters aren’t exactly bowled over by Starmer’s government and their actions since entering government.

I don’t think they’re doing well. I want them to do well, because I’m not a supporter of any political party and want the best party in government for the benefit of the Britain and the British people. If they started doing better, I’d be pleased.

So far, I’ve agreed with very little of their actual policy making, and have hated several decisions but primarily the poorly researched WFA cut.

I’m not saying the Tories would be doing any better, they are a shambles, but honestly Labour aren’t doing well. At all. And this is reflected in their and Starmer’s popularity polls.

 

[nickjhs]

I wonder if the shite options you face, all having little to no regard for the electorate is a symptom of previous poor choices.

Despite Starmer Labour Party being far better than the previous government(s). They are still painted by the press as 'the worst' with their lack of respect for the electorate being highlighted.

From where I sit the UK electorate has a very long way to go before they are going to be respected enough by the political classes to be given worthwhile options.

Similar to the US, the electorate in its wisdom has chosen to give the political elite a bloody nose by voting for Brexit and Nigel bloody Farage.

To my mind the power in voting for the least worst party over the even worse (who many seem to be turning to) is incremental improvement and an ability to hold the worst to account somewhat. Turn the race to the bottom on its head so to speak.

You question begs the reverse question: where is the power in continuing to vote for the worst option (13 years or austerity, Brexit, lies and scandal) or voting for the even worse (far right, hatred, racism' grifter and charlatans)?

I generally agree with you. The issue lies in building a party from the ground up that represents the needs of the working class, not just of one country but the working class in all countries. The problem with this being petty squabbles and disputes leading to fracturing and a dilution of the potential. Monty Python summed this up very succinctly with the Peoples Front Of Judea skit.

 

[BadFish]

If I understood that correctly, Labour are the least worst option and we should be grateful for that?

It feels like even the staunchest Labour supporters aren’t exactly bowled over by Starmer’s government and their actions since entering government.

I don’t think they’re doing well. I want them to do well, because I’m not a supporter of any political party and want the best party in government for the benefit of the Britain and the British people. If they started doing better, I’d be pleased.

So far, I’ve agreed with very little of their actual policy making, and have hated several decisions but primarily the poorly researched WFA cut.

I’m not saying the Tories would be doing any better, they are a shambles, but honestly Labour aren’t doing well. At all. And this is reflected in their and Starmer’s popularity polls.

I haven't mentioned grateful at all. My point is that you are in this mess because of an willingness of the electorate to vote out shit governments. As a poster mentioned previously the last time the government was fearful/respectful of the electorate was just after the war. This fear/respect led to policies aimed at supporting the working classes and a more equitable distribution of wealth and resources.

How do you turn around such a long period of poor choices? It seems to be that voting for the least worse is your best option to get something half decent.

It surprised me that people appear to be arguing against this. I will need it explained to me how voting for more of the worst or the even worse is more beneficial.

To my mind you shouldn't be grateful that this is your choice, you should be f***ing furious. But that's just me. I would have been furious at being asked to pay for the GFC (for years) while the bankers who caused it still got their bonuses. You guys seemed happy with that, until the farmers were asked to pay. It's weird.

 

[BadFish]

I generally agree with you. The issue lies in building a party from the ground up that represents the needs of the working class, not just of one country but the working class in all countries. The problem with this being petty squabbles and disputes leading to fracturing and a dilution of the potential. Monty Python summed this up very succinctly with the Peoples Front Of Judea skit.

I agree, there seems to be petty disputes and squabbles omong the billionaires club at the moment, with the fragmented formation of new parties (Bruv etc) perhaps this will be their undoing too?

Perhaps it will bring and end to the two party system which may keep th on their toes more too.

I also think you have a massive problem with the press. A party representing the working classes is never going to have the support of the right wing press who are so influential over people.

But this comes down the the choices of the electorate once more. The Daily Mail and the Sun are the widest read and bought news outlets yes are amongst the least reliable.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I agree, there seems to be petty disputes and squabbles omong the billionaires club at the moment, with the fragmented formation of new parties (Bruv etc) perhaps this will be their undoing too?

Perhaps it will bring and end to the two party system which may keep th on their toes more too.

I also think you have a massive problem with the press. A party representing the working classes is never going to have the support of the right wing press who are so influential over people.

But this comes down the the choices of the electorate once more. The Daily Mail and the Sun are the widest read and bought news outlets yes are amongst the least reliable.

The traction that newspapers have with the electorate is probably at an all time low.
Social media is, I suspect, a massive influence.
I can smell it, even though I only use NSC and (very occasionally) Facebook.
And the BBC web pages. Does that count? Hugely influential I suspect.

 

[clapham_gull]

He's very clever but with an abundance of stupid as an audience.

Pretty much his entire career (post EDL) has been about monetising hatred.

If you are in that game you have to mix it up. He'd left the grooming / rape scandal to one side, trying to flog his defamatory movie.

But prior to that he'd moved into full on conspiracy theory, mixing it up with a bit of Brexit and Covid 19 denial.

And to keep the fringes happy (although he has quite happily described himself as a Zionist on occasions) he'll dip into more traditional far right territory when he needs to.

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2022/11/06/tommy-robinson-reveals-his-antisemitic-views-in-latest-rant-online/

He's basically a hatred pick and mix who has learnt to adapt to his customers. Effectively unemployable, going to prison to him is simply an investment in the brand.

The very funny irony is that he could move to the States and make a quite a career as as Robin Hood figure, if he learnt to keep his er "nose clean".

Whether they will let him back in after the passport confusion is another story. Maybe Trump will pardon him.

 

[BadFish]

The traction that newspapers have with the electorate is probably at an all time low.
Social media is, I suspect, a massive influence.
I can smell it, even though I only use NSC and (very occasionally) Facebook.
And the BBC web pages. Does that count? Hugely influential I suspect.

Agreed, but somehow it seems that social media is following a similar right leaning pattern. Musk on Twitter and Facebook latest decision certainly continuing the theme of misinformation for the masses.

 

[sydney]

Theft and looting by illegal immigrants around London......



I just had a look on social media to find out what's really going on in Australia.
Apparently, according to some bloke, Neddy Kelly-Robinson, Aboriginal cannibals are eating ordinary working class white babies.

oh Harry .....so droll , the desperate humour of someone in denial....tsk

enough of this for me anyway , waste of time and energy.

 

[sydney]

Yes of course, I worded that badly. I guess my point was more that the UK electorate do little to discourage them from doing so.

As you so rightly say it has been a very long time since a government has been concerned about the power of the electorate. The electorate seem hesitant to weild it.

more than half the electorate don't vote....most apathetic voters around , most young people are thoroughly disinterested ...you think the govt don't know it.?

 

[John Byrnes Mullet]

Stephen Yaxley and British politics s rotten to the core.
The U.K is so messed up with what is right or wrong. These idiots who posted verbal diarrhoea on social media should have been put in compulsory groups to educate them. You can be caught stealing £200 of goods from Aldi and be let off. Putting these idiots in prison will just create more hate and divide in society.
The internet and social media is definitely a big part of this and it's enabling Musk to have a world voice.
I say boycott Teslas lol
Has the world always been this screwed up? I think it probably has ever since human brain developed.

 

[jordanseagull]

Stephen Yaxley and British politics s rotten to the core.
The U.K is so messed up with what is right or wrong. These idiots who posted verbal diarrhoea on social media should have been put in compulsory groups to educate them. You can be caught stealing £200 of goods from Aldi and be let off. Putting these idiots in prison will just create more hate and divide in society.
The internet and social media is definitely a big part of this and it's enabling Musk to have a world voice.
I say boycott Teslas lol
Has the world always been this screwed up? I think it probably has ever since human brain developed.

You want compulsory state-developed political/cultural education programmes for political opponents?