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[Albion] Thomas Tuchel **Appointed England Manager 15/10/24**







hart's shirt

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Why does the nationality of the manager mean less than the nationality of the players?
The players represent England. Clearly they should have English qualification.

Those around the team (manager, assistants, physios, kit men, psychologists, data analysts, etc.) can be any nationality.

IMHO, like.
 


tstanbur

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It looks like I'm in a minority here, but I genuinely couldn't care less about the nationality of the England manager. I am 100% an England fan at major tournaments and nothing in between. So as long as the manager makes England do well in those tournaments, great.

Having a German as a manager is irrelevant, in my opinion. Most Germans I know (and it's a fair few though work) view the "rivalry" with England as quite cute. Kinda like when Crawley cropped up recently and started gobbing off about being rivals after the EFL Cup game. Germany's rivals are the Netherlands, France and Italy. England have a rivalry with Germany, Germany don't have a rivalry with England.

I actually quite like the idea of a German Brighton manager and a German England manager at the same time.
I think the opinions of England "fans" who are only interested when we play in tournaments are irrelevant.
 


Han Solo

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The players represent England. Clearly they should have English qualification.

Those around the team (manager, assistants, physios, kit men, psychologists, data analysts, etc.) can be any nationality.

IMHO, like.
So you dont think the manager of England represents England?
 


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Herr Tubthumper

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The players represent England. Clearly they should have English qualification.

Those around the team (manager, assistants, physios, kit men, psychologists, data analysts, etc.) can be any nationality.

IMHO, like.
I disagree. The big nations should stick to their own. Otherwise it's not a true reflection of the ability of a country. England aside, this is largely the case.
 








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I disagree. The big nations should stick to their own. Otherwise it's not a true reflection of the ability of a country. England aside, this is largely the case.
I want the best English qualified players on the pitch, and the best people off it.

In the case of the latter, I wouldn't want to exclude the global talent that exists outside the English borders purely on geography or parentage.
 


Han Solo

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How do you feel about Brighton?
Great comparison.

I guess you'd have no issues if the English national team was filled with players from South America, France, Germany, Netherlands etc. then? Because thats how it is as Brighton.
 






Monkey Man

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Neither here nor there
Back to the Potter thing – I have no idea why people thought he might be in the frame for the England job. The only thing on his CV that would have been in his favour was the word "available".

(This isn't anti-Potter vitriol, by the way. I'm pretty much over all that. I'm genuinely trying to be objective.)
 




JetsetJimbo

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Honestly couldn't give a damn about his nationality. I'm a bit worried, though, by his tactical decisions. I'm not convinced the guy who played Loftus-Cheek as a striker and Pulisic as a right-back is the right man for the job.

Coming third in a one-team league with Bayern was quite something, too. The fact that Bayern seem to think Kompany is an upgrade also doesn't fill me with confidence. And then there's the trail of chaos he seems to have left at every club he's managed.

I think he's got this job because the UK media loves him.

That said, I hope I'm wrong and he leads us to tournament victories. However it goes, I still won't care about his nationality.
 




Han Solo

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Back to the Potter thing – I have no idea why people thought he might be in the frame for the England job. The only thing on his CV that would have been in his favour was the word "available".

(This isn't anti-Potter vitriol, by the way. I'm pretty much over all that. I'm genuinely trying to be objective.)
I thought he was in the running because I thought they were picking a manager from England, and there's very few English managers with a better CV than Potter.

I'm very happy he didn't get the job though.
 


tstanbur

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Great comparison.

I guess you'd have no issues if the English national team was filled with players from South America, France, Germany, Netherlands etc. then? Because thats how it is as Brighton.
I can't believe some people are trying to back up their points with club football comparisons.

The England team is representing the country and should have English players and an English Manager.

That said, if it had been Klopp (another German) or Pep I'd have been a lot more comfortable with it than Tuchel.

Anyone but Tuchel.
 




Thunder Bolt

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Great comparison.

I guess you'd have no issues if the English national team was filled with players from South America, France, Germany, Netherlands etc. then? Because thats how it is as Brighton.
Players are bought unlike national players.
 




Thunder Bolt

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I can't believe some people are trying to back up their points with club football comparisons.

The England team is representing the country and should have English players and an English Manager.

That said, if it had been Klopp (another German) or Pep I'd have been a lot more comfortable with it than Tuchel.

Anyone but Tuchel.
So it’s not his nationality you object it, but TT himself?

Glad you cleared that up.
 


Han Solo

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Players are bought unlike national players.
And national teams represent nations, unlike clubs. Meaning national teams and club teams are different, yet you compare Brighton appointing Hurz with England appointing Tuchel.

Or maybe you want national teams to buy players? After all, Brighton do it so no one could have any complaints, just like in the manager question?
 


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