Tom Hark Preston Park
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[Football] This Dishonesty About No Longer Wanting To Go To Football Due To VAR
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The Wizard
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- Jul 2, 2009
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When Cricket brought in the Video Umpire it was supposed to eliminate Umpiring howlers but ended up being used for everything and the same has happened in Football. If you re going to spend five minutes reviewing a decision then the outcome needs to be beyond reproach and some of them aren't. The minute a challenge is slowed down it looks worse than it was at full speed.
If there was an NSC at the time I am sure people would have been threatening to not go to games again after alcohol was banned, all seater stadiums came in, etc. The game does evolve over the years as does the people watching it (although personal circumstances outside the game influence that more than anything).
As for the clubs trajectory in the last nearly quarter of a century from having no ground and being half an hour from being a non-league team (and quite possibly having to reform the club) to the Premier League and s state of the art stadium that in normal times sells out every other week, I imagine of the 92 league clubs most of them would swap us.
If there was an NSC at the time I am sure people would have been threatening to not go to games again after alcohol was banned, all seater stadiums came in, etc. The game does evolve over the years as does the people watching it (although personal circumstances outside the game influence that more than anything).
As for the clubs trajectory in the last nearly quarter of a century from having no ground and being half an hour from being a non-league team (and quite possibly having to reform the club) to the Premier League and s state of the art stadium that in normal times sells out every other week, I imagine of the 92 league clubs most of them would swap us.
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I jest of course but VAR is so decisive that it will always court controversy to bring it up.
I actually quite like VAR. Not all aspects of it and some of it's interpretation is strange but trying to gage other people's thoughts on it opens a minefield. Especially when many people are not really sure themselves whether the plus points outweigh the negatives.
I jest of course but VAR is so decisive that it will always court controversy to bring it up.
I actually quite like VAR. Not all aspects of it and some of it's interpretation is strange but trying to gage other people's thoughts on it opens a minefield. Especially when many people are not really sure themselves whether the plus points outweigh the negatives.
I think there's probably some merit to the OP's point. Some. I'm sure there are people who were perfectly happy with everything in football until VAR came along and now they can't stand football, but more commonly there's a chunk of the footballing fanbase for whom it's the latest change that has made football less enjoyable, in which case it's not just VAR and putting your leaving on that alone is a little dishonest. When it is the combination of multiple things that have built up, the other things should take some blame, too.
But beyond that, the number of times people go on about not celebrating goals any more only to continue to celebrate them when they go in (some even celebrate when it's clear there was an offside or foul in the build-up). Last season there were people in the amex within my earshot who, upset a goal had been disallowed or a soft penalty given against us, vowed that was it for them, never coming back. Yet they sit there and see out the game and are back the next week.
I think a lot of time there is an emptiness to the the arguments against VAR. It's people upset in the moment, disappointed by the outcome and the way it plays into the result. But once they've cooled down, and moved on, maybe had the decision explained etc. remember that football has been a significant part of their life for so long that a couple of occasional delays and contentious decisions isn't going to drive them away.
But beyond that, the number of times people go on about not celebrating goals any more only to continue to celebrate them when they go in (some even celebrate when it's clear there was an offside or foul in the build-up). Last season there were people in the amex within my earshot who, upset a goal had been disallowed or a soft penalty given against us, vowed that was it for them, never coming back. Yet they sit there and see out the game and are back the next week.
I think a lot of time there is an emptiness to the the arguments against VAR. It's people upset in the moment, disappointed by the outcome and the way it plays into the result. But once they've cooled down, and moved on, maybe had the decision explained etc. remember that football has been a significant part of their life for so long that a couple of occasional delays and contentious decisions isn't going to drive them away.
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Worried Man Blues
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You cannot accuse VAR of ruining football by taking all the controversy away and making it sterile.
neilbard
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Au contraire
, I completely agree to completely disagree with you both. 
Seasider78
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- Nov 14, 2004
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Cannot speak for everyone but I don’t jump around like I did I start celebrating then stand and watch the screen and see if the ref has his finger in his ear. I am sure most are sucking it up as they love their clubs too much to give up going but does not mean people are not infuriated about the changes we are seeing.
What we were sold with this is clear and obvious something that would wipe out the serious injustices and the howlers. What we have is a forensic system of goal and joy removal coupled with ridiculous penalties being given for marginal contact.
I want the football to be centre stage but the referees have now taken over and your results are now determined by millimetre margins on a computer screen rather than the raw imperfections of the game we all enjoyed before.
It’s not hard to understand why some fans are turning their backs on it VAR is the latest signal that the bums on seats in the stadiums do not matter it’s for the pundits and TV audience
Maybe, but it’s degrees of being less enjoyable........crappy anthems, flask bans, being called ‘customers’ and all the stuff like that are minor irritations in reality and don’t impact the actual enjoyment of the game itself (for me anyway).
VAR absolutely, massively does......goal celebrations are muted, even if there isn’t a sign of something that might rule it out (maybe a foul what seemed like several minutes ago perhaps ?). It might look and sound ok but every time we go up we’re all thinking about whether VAR will intervene. It’s definitely not the same. Add to that the interminable delays, the over-forensic application of the laws and the cheating that it’s almost encouraged and it’s difficult to argue that it’s not had a very significant negative impact on the emotional enjoyment (or pain) of watching a game, especially live (I don’t get quite the same adrenalin rush watching on TV).
I’ll keep going personally but can easily see why it’s leading to some deciding not to.......not the only factor in most cases perhaps, but certainly a major factor.
banjo
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I still celebrate a goal ... look at the assistants flag and ref celebrate again ...then once again when VARS ok’d it
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What i dont get is people who lose faith with watching the albion but happy to continue posting their views on a messageboard.
Whats the point
Thats something I always wondered when i see a das reich post. What is the actual point. ( as much as some of what he says is true )
Strange.
Whats the point
Thats something I always wondered when i see a das reich post. What is the actual point. ( as much as some of what he says is true )
Strange.
We grow up supporting our local club, through thick and thin . . . . . In the last few years its become a less enjoyable experience and give up your season ticket, or you decide to take a break, just go to odd games, whatever. That doesn't mean you're invalid as a supporter. It certainly doesn'tmean your not entitled to an opinion. Maybe the club reads some of this shit?
Weststander
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This.
There are many people across the county and beyond who’ll always love the Albion, but for various reasons don’t go to games. Shirley they’re welcome on NSC on Albion threads.
Garage_Doors
Originally the Swankers
Done that with every thread I ever started
Just because you repeated the mistake doesn't make it right.
Absolutely
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Firstly, the OP can do one for deciding that he knows best what people think, feel and do. Just a total nonsense of a way to open a discussion. Worthy of the Combover Caligula himself. If anyone disagrees with my view just dismiss it as 'fake news' or 'Dishonesty'. Terrible state of affairs.
To me VAR was a good idea that has been implemented appallingly, (is there worse than appallingly? If so . . . That!). The problem VAR intended to solve, namely that refs sometimes make mistakes and/or miss stuff was a worthy one IMHO. The trouble is it has not solved this problem, it would be easy to argue it has made it worse. Now we have a massive time delay on everything and decisions are STILL being made incorrectly. Couple this with VAR finding and 'fixing' decisions that didn't need to be fixed and you have one almighty **** up that IS ruining the game as a spectacle.
Questionable decisions occasionally affected the outcomes of games. This needed to be fixed. Now that fix means that way more outcomes are affected by questionable decisions by VAR.
To me, it is not VAR per see that needs to go. It just needs to be implemented in a far far far better way. If they can't improve its implementation then get rid of it as in its current guise it has made the problem it was trying to solve, significantly worse.
To me VAR was a good idea that has been implemented appallingly, (is there worse than appallingly? If so . . . That!). The problem VAR intended to solve, namely that refs sometimes make mistakes and/or miss stuff was a worthy one IMHO. The trouble is it has not solved this problem, it would be easy to argue it has made it worse. Now we have a massive time delay on everything and decisions are STILL being made incorrectly. Couple this with VAR finding and 'fixing' decisions that didn't need to be fixed and you have one almighty **** up that IS ruining the game as a spectacle.
Questionable decisions occasionally affected the outcomes of games. This needed to be fixed. Now that fix means that way more outcomes are affected by questionable decisions by VAR.
To me, it is not VAR per see that needs to go. It just needs to be implemented in a far far far better way. If they can't improve its implementation then get rid of it as in its current guise it has made the problem it was trying to solve, significantly worse.