[Football] This Dishonesty About No Longer Wanting To Go To Football Due To VAR

[Neville's Breakfast]

This needs to be mandatory at EVERY televised game - especially now where there is nothing to drown it out. A simple '**** VAR' chant every single time the game is stopped for a review.

From the beginning of every match might have more of an effect.

 

[Barham's tash]

I know the OP is fishing but VAR is certainly a contributory factor in me giving up my ticket at the end of this season.

I’d say it’s roughly 33% of my decision making.

I’m completely cold to football in the pandemic as I’ve said before but two things happened on Monday - 1. I knew it was going to happen and 2. When the final whistle blew I switched channels and genuinely didn’t care about it.

Sure I debated the stupidity of the decision - outside the box, craziness of the law etc but I didn’t actually find myself emotionally charged because of the result which is incredibly sad.

 

[W3 BHA]

We should all agree that VAR has changed football significantly. My own view is it has ruined it as a live spectacle. It has also led to a significant increase in simulation (which is surely now being coached), and more penalties because any contact is automatically a foul.

Having said all that, I'm still going next weekend. I shall join in the **** VAR chant as appropriate.

Agree with you wholeheartedly, except....... why does it keep being referred to as simulation? That term gives cheating a thin veil of respectability in the same way that 'Lip Synching' is used to try and cover up the fact it is miming. Both are forms of cheating and should be called such IMHO.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You and I would have an interesting evening together if we ever met up - lol!

I don't have a problem with anything in your list. In fact, I laughed out loud at your dislike of the 'top 6' dominating. This is the first time in my lifetime there has ever been a top six (six club who have a realistic chance of winning the league). After the demise of Revie's hapless but dominant Leeds, we had a period where Liverpool won everything, followed, after a brief hiatus when everone was a bit shit, with ManUre winning everything, followed by the emergence of Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Leicester and Spurs, perhaps now with Southamptom and Everton knocking at the door. Do you see a pattern here? Tremendous times. My hope is that the Albion can get up there too, and for the first time in my life I believe we can.

As for possession football, diving and soft penalties, just go back and watch the vieo of the Brighton ManUre cup final. Blatent cheating (deliberate handballs) going unpunished. Assaults on players. Shit shit shitty football. And Manu win again because of referee bias and big club bias.

Football isn't perfect and the game continues to change. But bugger me, it is getting better in every respect. VAR is a game changer (literally) and a shock to the system but, in 5 years time, only the old duffers will hanker for the old days, just like some old duffers hanker for the days of good old fashioned British football hooliganism.

Here is my list of 'room for improvements':

The rules of the game and those who invent them. Don't let the referees set the rules. FIFA, with operational delegation to the EPL should set them. We could FIFEXIT is the old Swiss ***** won't modernise, but this is probably unneccessary. For opinion canvassing, get young current players involved, not soppy old school dinosaurs like Macmanamanaman and (although I generally like him when he stays away from 'old school') Jermain Jenas.

Actually, that's it.

I love football, old football (on the telly, Big Match replayed etc), modern football, EPL football, 'non league' football. Love it. Bring it on.

And I went to my first Albion game 51 years ago. Adapt and survive.

You’re flogging a dead horse Harry. People don’t dislike VAR because they are afraid of change. It’s because the live match experience has been ruined. For many (most ?) the flow of the beautiful game is more important than an OCD obsession with 100 % accuracy of decisions.
Oh and Leeds weren’t dominant at any point in football history ! They won the league twice in the 60s and 70s. Much though I detest the scousers it was they who were very much dominant

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I still celebrate a goal ... look at the assistants flag and ref celebrate again ...then once again when VARS ok’d it

Me too. And I love seeing opposition goals chalked off and the disappointment and anger from opposition teams and fans if they are there.

 

[dazzer6666]

I know the OP is fishing but VAR is certainly a contributory factor in me giving up my ticket at the end of this season.

I’d say it’s roughly 33% of my decision making.

I’m completely cold to football in the pandemic as I’ve said before but two things happened on Monday - 1. I knew it was going to happen and 2. When the final whistle blew I switched channels and genuinely didn’t care about it.

Sure I debated the stupidity of the decision - outside the box, craziness of the law etc but I didn’t actually find myself emotionally charged because of the result which is incredibly sad.

I was at the game and we all adopted, immediately, an air of resignation as soon as the decision took more than a few seconds. ‘It’s going to be a pen, Ings will score and we’ll lose 2-1. Shrug’

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You’re flogging a dead horse Harry. People don’t dislike VAR because they are afraid of change. It’s because the live match experience has been ruined. For many (most ?) the flow of the beautiful game is more important than an OCD obsession with 100 % accuracy of decisions.
Oh and Leeds weren’t dominant at any point in football history ! They won the league twice in the 60s and 70s. Much though I detest the scousers it was they who were very much dominant

I realise that. But in 5 years I will be proven right

I don't mean people are afraid of change exactly, I mean they are resistant to it. Bloody hell, I am, myself. And time and time again I'm proven wrong (at work).

As for OCD, I am a scientist and I'm also 'on the spectrum' so of course I'd rather a decision be right than made quickly, WTF!



(Leeds, yes, fair enough. They were not dominant. Just the best. And still everyone else hated them!)

 

[Worried Man Blues]

The top 6 have never bothered me, being the bottom one was testy

 

[bn1&bn3 Albion]

I was already losing interest in the "Premier League Experience" but VAR was the final straw, it killed why I fell in love with football.

 

[blue-shifted]

[emoji106]

Imagine THAT Andone goal against Palace

I nearly fell off the front row of the West Upper, knocked my (old) mates glasses off and whacked my knee - ended up limping out

Or the Ulloa goal at Forest, brilliant scenes.

THAT is what football is all about.





Was all about.



Now - did the ball go over the touch line on that Andone run?, did he push Tompkins?, was there a foul in our box before it was hoofed upfield?
Did Mackail-Smith run into an offside position at Forest, did Ulloa push the defender?
I know, lets all hang around for 2 minutes, while some people who are not even at the game, and are not really sure what to do, have to make some sort of decision, based on sometimes dodgy evidence.

Anyone who says that VAR hasn’t fecked our beautiful game up, has obviously never actually experienced the true passion of really being behind your team, or maybe they’ve just alway sat in Corporate happy clapping.
The people that run the game obviously just don’t get it.

Congrats on the post Mr Fisherman and feck off VAR

Well said

But you can take it further.

What about the Melee for Storers goal home to Donny at the last game of the Goldstone? Could Reinelt have strayed offside in the match later?

Better take 3 or 4 minutes to check

VAR can never be made better by tweaking. The fundamental problem will remain, the loss of the glorious spontaneous moment of joy that only football gives you.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I can't stand VAR and it ruins the experience for the fan in the ground but I see it as if we don't like it then we need to fight to kick it out.
We don't have to accept VAR .

Especially now the PGMOL have admitted VAR got the Southampton decision wrong, and the original decision of a free kick just outside the area was right.

Brighton are now a point missing, although Saints might have score from the free kick of course.

 

[The Wizard]

You can’t celebrate goals mentally like you once could.

I don’t care what anyone says the amusement of seeing opposition goals disallowed because of VAR doesn’t even get close to equalling the unbridled joy of scoring a last gasp winner, without the worry that someone’s toe might be offside.

Whilst I won’t stop going because of it, I can’t lie and pretend I get that rush anymore and for those already falling out of love with aspects of modern football you can totally understand people choosing not to go.

 

[ac gull]

what's the point in going if you have no clue as why decisions are made at ground but those watching tv get the close up replays

 

[Justice]

Especially now the PGMOL have admitted VAR got the Southampton decision wrong, and the original decision of a free kick just outside the area was right.

Brighton are now a point missing, although Saints might have score from the free kick of course.

It was never a pen the ref knew it wasn’t a pen just bottled making the decision once the pratt on VAR said it was.

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

Especially now the PGMOL have admitted VAR got the Southampton decision wrong, and the original decision of a free kick just outside the area was right.

Brighton are now a point missing, although Saints might have score from the free kick of course.

Yes,I think there is more than enough discontent amongst managers,players,ex players journalists,etc.that if we the fans mount a campaign then we can get rid of VAR before it spreads to other leagues.
Especially as you mention it's quite clear VAR is making mistakes.
The fans of all clubs need to get organised and seriously protest to finish VAR and I'm sure that will enable clubs to push for it.
Football belongs to the fans and if we are not happy then we have the power to change it.
We should not just walk away and let it be ruined for future generations.

 

[Silverhatch]

You and I would have an interesting evening together if we ever met up - lol!

I don't have a problem with anything in your list. In fact, I laughed out loud at your dislike of the 'top 6' dominating. This is the first time in my lifetime there has ever been a top six (six club who have a realistic chance of winning the league). After the demise of Revie's hapless but dominant Leeds, we had a period where Liverpool won everything, followed, after a brief hiatus when everone was a bit shit, with ManUre winning everything, followed by the emergence of Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Leicester and Spurs, perhaps now with Southamptom and Everton knocking at the door. Do you see a pattern here? Tremendous times. My hope is that the Albion can get up there too, and for the first time in my life I believe we can.

As for possession football, diving and soft penalties, just go back and watch the vieo of the Brighton ManUre cup final. Blatent cheating (deliberate handballs) going unpunished. Assaults on players. Shit shit shitty football. And Manu win again because of referee bias and big club bias.

Football isn't perfect and the game continues to change. But bugger me, it is getting better in every respect. VAR is a game changer (literally) and a shock to the system but, in 5 years time, only the old duffers will hanker for the old days, just like some old duffers hanker for the days of good old fashioned British football hooliganism.

Here is my list of 'room for improvements':

The rules of the game and those who invent them. Don't let the referees set the rules. FIFA, with operational delegation to the EPL should set them. We could FIFEXIT is the old Swiss ***** won't modernise, but this is probably unneccessary. For opinion canvassing, get young current players involved, not soppy old school dinosaurs like Macmanamanaman and (although I generally like him when he stays away from 'old school') Jermain Jenas.

Actually, that's it.

I love football, old football (on the telly, Big Match replayed etc), modern football, EPL football, 'non league' football. Love it. Bring it on.

And I went to my first Albion game 51 years ago. Adapt and survive.

More than happy to adapt & survive - but VAR in its current (applied) state should be nowhere near the elite level (any level) of the game. It’s a complete & utter ****ing shambles open to nuance and reinterpretation.

 

[ac gull]

it was supposed to only be to correct clear and obvious errors

instead it is a pedants delight re whether or not the last 15mm of a toe are offside - basically it is being used to re-referee all crucial points of a game

those operating it are so unconfident in what they are doing the crowd are not allowed to hear their discussions

computer says what's it got to with you - you are just paying often best part of 100 quid for a day out to be ruined by VAR

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

I remember an intelligent friend of a club that got relegated from PL around the time we got promoted saying 'thank God for that'. I thought 'are you mad'. Little did I know it's a prison in paradise!

 

[Muzzy]

Ah, this is Ernest’s other account and I claim my £5 here?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Sorry, but it IS just dishonesty isn't it? Be honest. VAR just gives you a face-saving get-out clause to no longer go.

Maybe you just got old. Maybe you can no longer afford it. Maybe you just can no longer be arsed with the stupidly long round trip.

But at least be honest.

VAR as a genuine reason for no longer going? Nah, sorry, not buying it

Got me bang to rights, Guv.