[Football] This Dishonesty About No Longer Wanting To Go To Football Due To VAR

[jackanada]

I can see how it may be dishonest from some people. If I had cancelled my ST I think it would be extremely accurate.
Our first VAR home game (West ham?) as the first VAR intervention started I flopped ok not my seat thinking it was pointless my being there and was very close to just getting up and going on the spot. I was due to meet a friend afterwards so stayed.
Thought about it for a long time afterwards. Watching football on TV i do miss the overview of the game you get with a decent live view. So I decided I'd give it the season.
Covid has postponed me making a final decision.

 

[Medwayseagull]

There does seem to be an increasing number of these "look at me" threads. Say something controversial and patronising, await hostile reaction and then note down others comments for use in a new book about how not to make new friends and influence people.

 

[blockhseagull]

Anyone who argues VAR hasn’t changed their enjoyment of football either doesn’t go to games or doesn’t really care that much about the game.

VAR is for the suits and the TV watchers... it isn’t for the fans that go week in and week out and support their team.

In the quest for perfection the governing bodies have killed the goose that laid the golden egg. As has already been mentioned by several posters that elation and joy when a goal is scored isn’t quite the same anymore .... it’s more a quick cheer and then everyone stares at the big screen waiting to see if it’s going to be chalked off.

Has it created its own drama... yes of course and maybe some people enjoy that much more than the scoring of a goal. However I’d wager those are the people watching the game at home with no real interest in who wins the game.

Are they getting more decisions right now than wrong ? Yes probably, but it’s marginal and the game on Monday proves again that VAR doesn’t get everything right because essentially it’s still down to officials making bad decisions whether technology is being used or not.

I’d rather have the excitement and joy of celebrating goals and take a few bad decisions which is what made people fall in love with the game in the first place than the sterile experience that football is now becoming for the fan at the game.

 

[southstandandy]

It would be a lot cheaper for all the clubs to just decide their placings by playing FIFA each season. If technology is going to run the game why not decide the Premier League standings based on home and away matches played on consoles? Far cheaper, no travel, and no big player contracts!

MOTD would be interesting!

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Ah, this is Ernest’s other account and I claim my £5 here?

Nope - he is Ernest's mad Scottish cousin, McAdder style.

 

[Birdie Boy]

It would be a lot cheaper for all the clubs to just decide their placings by playing FIFA each season. If technology is going to run the game why not decide the Premier League standings based on home and away matches played on consoles? Far cheaper, no travel, and no big player contracts!

MOTD would be interesting!

I haven't played fifa for years, does the latest version have var on it? [emoji3]

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Irrespective of VAR I think that supporting top tier football requires a completely different mindset. It’s ok on the telly but from a true supporters perspective you know there no chance of a promotion, little chance of honours and a big chance of failure, both in football and finance terms. I saw fewer games when we were in Div 1 and cancelled my season ticket when we got promoted. I have been to a few games in the Premier League but just don’t enjoy it as much as when we had something to play for.
I hate the hype and the importance being put on it and VAR is a great example of the game I have loved all my life being stripped of all that was good about it. Personal view and don’t expect many to understand but hey, we all have and are entitled to our opinions as long as we don’t try and thrust them on others.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It’s like nails in a coffin lid [MENTION=205]Tom Hark, Preston Park[/MENTION]. You can be in the coffin and still get the lid off with 5, 10, maybe 15 nails. But at some point 1 nail, identical to all the others is the final nail that stops you getting the lid off. It’s obviously not just that 1 nail, it’s all the nails that preceded it, but it is that 1 nail that finally does it.

 

[razer]

If it's BHA, I'm in, VAR , Premier League or not.

 

[Official Old Man]

Haven't seen mention of the VAR penalty last night at Leeds.
West Ham keeper saved a penalty but his foot was mm's off the line. Retaken and scored. This now brings into play VAR looking even closer at the keeper meaning unless the taker misses (Maupay) you're guaranteed to score. So now players fall over within sight of the penalty box, falling in to the box, or hitting the ball into players arms or sticking their foot under the defenders foot or 'feeling a touch' and VAR gives a goal!
The final nail probably sums up football right now.
Covid, to be totally honest, has given me an excuse to skip it for a while. But I jumped at a Sheff Utd ticket so it can't be that bad.

 

[Mayonaise]

Anyone who argues VAR hasn’t changed their enjoyment of football either doesn’t go to games or doesn’t really care that much about the game.

VAR is for the suits and the TV watchers... it isn’t for the fans that go week in and week out and support their team.

In the quest for perfection the governing bodies have killed the goose that laid the golden egg. As has already been mentioned by several posters that elation and joy when a goal is scored isn’t quite the same anymore .... it’s more a quick cheer and then everyone stares at the big screen waiting to see if it’s going to be chalked off.

Has it created its own drama... yes of course and maybe some people enjoy that much more than the scoring of a goal. However I’d wager those are the people watching the game at home with no real interest in who wins the game.

Are they getting more decisions right now than wrong ? Yes probably, but it’s marginal and the game on Monday proves again that VAR doesn’t get everything right because essentially it’s still down to officials making bad decisions whether technology is being used or not.

I’d rather have the excitement and joy of celebrating goals and take a few bad decisions which is what made people fall in love with the game in the first place than the sterile experience that football is now becoming for the fan at the game.

I think this sums up how I am feeling about all of this.... but even on TV with games not involving the Albion I am still finding the whole thing (and the time it takes) so annoying that I am switching football off.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The last 10 months since I last saw a game at the Amex I have become indifferent to it now. Var does not help as it delays the game and takes away instantaneous celebration but it is more the faff of getting there and back which is 4-5 hours to see a 90 minute game even from Lancing, even worse weekdays which most games seem to be now and also the strategy seemingly of hoping there are 3 teams worse than us which has worked for 3 seasons and may do this season as well. I like to see my team win and that in the premier league is rarer than rocking horse sh*t or simply I am getting old and the flame of youth is dimming

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The last 10 months since I last saw a game at the Amex I have become indifferent to it now. Var does not help as it delays the game and takes away instantaneous celebration but it is more the faff of getting there and back which is 4-5 hours to see a 90 minute game even from Lancing, even worse weekdays which most games seem to be now and also the strategy seemingly of hoping there are 3 teams worse than us which has worked for 3 seasons and may do this season as well. I like to see my team win and that in the premier league is rarer than rocking horse sh*t or simply I am getting old and the flame of youth is dimming

Respect for the honesty [MENTION=3887]Uncle Spielberg[/MENTION]

(see folks, it CAN be done)

 

[sams dad]

The last 10 months since I last saw a game at the Amex I have become indifferent to it now. Var does not help as it delays the game and takes away instantaneous celebration but it is more the faff of getting there and back which is 4-5 hours to see a 90 minute game even from Lancing, even worse weekdays which most games seem to be now and also the strategy seemingly of hoping there are 3 teams worse than us which has worked for 3 seasons and may do this season as well. I like to see my team win and that in the premier league is rarer than rocking horse sh*t or simply I am getting old and the flame of youth is dimming

This is pretty much how I feel at the moment. After 58 years of supporting the Albion, my mojo is the lowest it has ever been.

 

[The Wizard]

The last 10 months since I last saw a game at the Amex I have become indifferent to it now. Var does not help as it delays the game and takes away instantaneous celebration but it is more the faff of getting there and back which is 4-5 hours to see a 90 minute game even from Lancing, even worse weekdays which most games seem to be now and also the strategy seemingly of hoping there are 3 teams worse than us which has worked for 3 seasons and may do this season as well. I like to see my team win and that in the premier league is rarer than rocking horse sh*t or simply I am getting old and the flame of youth is dimming

4/5 hours from Lancing to the Amex? You walking all that way or something?

Whilst I understand this viewpoint with regards to winning games, I remember going to Withdean and watching us lose to 9 men or losing 0-4 at home in the pouring rain so it’s all about perspective really, of course it would be nice to win more games but honestly I know this sounds very weird but there’s something entirely comforting about us being a bit average/shit, I felt like it walking away from the game against Southampton, in a time where everything feels so abnormal the way we played and the way we lost the game felt entirely ‘normal’ which was oddly comforting

 

[Bold Seagull]

4/5 hours from Lancing to the Amex? You walking all that way or something?

Whilst I understand this viewpoint with regards to winning games, I remember going to Withdean and watching us lose to 9 men or losing 0-4 at home in the pouring rain so it’s all about perspective really, of course it would be nice to win more games but honestly I know this sounds very weird but there’s something entirely comforting about us being a bit average/shit, I felt like it walking away from the game against Southampton, in a time where everything feels so abnormal the way we played and the way we lost the game felt entirely ‘normal’ which was oddly comforting

He's probably cycling, eh [MENTION=3887]Uncle Spielberg[/MENTION]?

 

[atomised]

For me it's a combination of factors. VAR is the big one right now. That and seeing a lot of non league over the last few months and having the enjoyment I had at the Amex without the hassle. I will return I guess but as much for the social side than anything else. I haven't on the whole enjoyed premier League football.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Respect for the honesty [MENTION=3887]Uncle Spielberg[/MENTION]

(see folks, it CAN be done)

Indeed.

And here is another point of view. I am very sad I can't go to watch games now because of Covid. I'm over 60, and age and health mean I'd be a fool to risk catching it.

It is a massive schlep for me, a 160 mile round trip, which I try to make interesting by devising cunning routes through the Kent and Sussex countryside. Normally I'm on my own because Mrs T and my son are usually otherwise engaged. There have been occasions when I've thought 'sod this', and back in the Withdean era I did give up my ST for a few years (although I kept slinking back).

But, for me, the football is now the best I have ever seen, a full Amex still gets the heart racing; the rules of the game need tweaking (especially now we have VAR) but this has always been the case. Substitutes were not allowed until 1965, and when I first went to the Goldstone subs were allowed only when a player was properly injured. And only the one. Rules change.

I have enjoyed watching on the telly. Until fairly recently (15 years ago) a live Brighton game on TV was as rare as rocking horse shit. I can remember only three: the FA cup final, the replay and a game away at Bournmouth during the crisis years. We are now live on TV via one source or another twice a week. Twice a week. If you'd told me that 20 years ago (and added this would be in the top division, with the Albion having a realistic chance, playing attractive footy, every game) I would probably have punched you hard in the face for lying and winding me up with cruel false promises.

And people complain. They complain about VAR. They moan about fake crowd noise on live coverage of Brighton games. Live games, twice a week. They moaned when some of these games incurred a charge on top of the Sky bill (even though they could easily be watched for nothing on a good stream from sites most of us know about). They snipe at our owner, via his CEO. Really?

I can understand people falling out of love with the game. I barely watched football from 1979 to 95, what with work, lack of money, living abroad, lack of money, depression and lack of money. Maybe I'm lucky that watching the Albion up and down the country became a thing with me when my life improved, and it meant great bonding time with my son, a chance to see the towns and cities of England (I had barely been north of London previously, despite travelling the world - after all, there's 'nothing to see up north, is there?'). And it meant escape, and then hope for a revival of our club. Bobby Zamora. Staying up late to watch football league highlights. Gillingam was easy for me (20 minute drive). Withdean and my first season ticket was a commitment, like marriage. The evening in the pub with [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] and [MENTION=314]Arthur[/MENTION] (more than 20 years ago, now) that was, impossible to image previously, hours of chat about nothing but The Albion. The hairs are standing up on the back of my neck as I think about it....

And slowly the football improved. Amazing people gave up so much campaigning to get us first to Withdean then to the amazing Amex. For the first 3 months at the Amex I had to pinch myself at every game. All these new supporters - would they understand or would they embarrass the club with booing and silliness? No, people got it and backed the team.

And now....4th season in the top flight. I was convinced we'd go straight down. But no. And we are now on the cusp between pragmatic survival and a great leap forward. Do you change the style before you change the players, or change the players first? Well it has to be both, and that's what is happening. And it is turbulent, and a bit worrying, but it is bloody exciting.

And yet people still complain. After all that, and with what we have now?

I can understand that people's health, life situation and other circumstances change. I can even understand that when this happens people can lash out, at their partners, their colleagues, the state of football as they see it, and even their football club. I have sympathy. But, goodness gracious me, take a long hard look at yourself if you're lashing out and ask yourself whether it may be you that has changed more than football and our club. That's fine. It happens. Sad, but fine.

Given all of the above, I therefore find it very hard to take when people pour buckets of boling piss all over football, and even our wonderful club. And I simply don't believe people when they justify this based on a loathing for issues like players wasting 5 seconds by kneeling down, VAR, having to sit down, not being able to have a pint and a fag while watching the game, not being able to racially abuse opposition players, or the limited opportunity for a ruck afterwards (the latter items a regular part of match day experience when I was a yoof). And I find it very tiresome when people feel the need to come on a BHA chat site and slag off the game and our club. Yes, we all have our opinions and a right (to an extent) to express them. Here is mine: I am bored with the intellectual dishonesty of a minority of posters on NSC; I have most of you on ignore and will doubtless be adding to this shortly, depending on the nature of any replies. For the nature of my reply to any such replies, I refer you to Arkell v. Pressdram.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Indeed.

And here is another point of view. I am very sad I can't go to watch games now because of Covid. I'm over 60, and age and health mean I'd be a fool to risk catching it.

It is a massive schlep for me, a 160 mile round trip, which I try to make interesting by devising cunning routes through the Kent and Sussex countryside. Normally I'm on my own because Mrs T and my son are usually otherwise engaged. There have been occasions when I've thought 'sod this', and back in the Withdean era I did give up my ST for a few years (although I kept slinking back).

But, for me, the football is now the best I have ever seen, a full Amex still gets the heart racing; the rules of the game need tweaking (especially now we have VAR) but this has always been the case. Substitutes were not allowed until 1965, and when I first went to the Goldstone subs were allowed only when a player was properly injured. And only the one. Rules change.

I have enjoyed watching on the telly. Until fairly recently (15 years ago) a live Brighton game on TV was as rare as rocking horse shit. I can remember only three: the FA cup final, the replay and a game away at Bournmouth during the crisis years. We are now live on TV via one source or another twice a week. Twice a week. If you'd told me that 20 years ago (and added this would be in the top division, with the Albion having a realistic chance, playing attractive footy, every game) I would probably have punched you hard in the face for lying and winding me up with cruel false promises.

And people complain. They complain about VAR. They moan about fake crowd noise on live coverage of Brighton games. Live games, twice a week. They moaned when some of these games incurred a charge on top of the Sky bill (even though they could easily be watched for nothing on a good stream from sites most of us know about). They snipe at our owner, via his CEO. Really?

I can understand people falling out of love with the game. I barely watched football from 1979 to 95, what with work, lack of money, living abroad, lack of money, depression and lack of money. Maybe I'm lucky that watching the Albion up and down the country became a thing with me when my life improved, and it meant great bonding time with my son, a chance to see the towns and cities of England (I had barely been north of London previously, despite travelling the world - after all, there's 'nothing to see up north, is there?'). And it meant escape, and then hope for a revival of our club. Bobby Zamora. Staying up late to watch football league highlights. Gillingam was easy for me (20 minute drive). Withdean and my first season ticket was a commitment, like marriage. The evening in the pub with [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] and [MENTION=314]Arthur[/MENTION] (more than 20 years ago, now) that was, impossible to image previously, hours of chat about nothing but The Albion. The hairs are standing up on the back of my neck as I think about it....

And slowly the football improved. Amazing people gave up so much campaigning to get us first to Withdean then to the amazing Amex. For the first 3 months at the Amex I had to pinch myself at every game. All these new supporters - would they understand or would they embarrass the club with booing and silliness? No, people got it and backed the team.

And now....4th season in the top flight. I was convinced we'd go straight down. But no. And we are now on the cusp between pragmatic survival and a great leap forward. Do you change the style before you change the players, or change the players first? Well it has to be both, and that's what is happening. And it is turbulent, and a bit worrying, but it is bloody exciting.

And yet people still complain. After all that, and with what we have now?

I can understand that people's health, life situation and other circumstances change. I can even understand that when this happens people can lash out, at their partners, their colleagues, the state of football as they see it, and even their football club. I have sympathy. But, goodness gracious me, take a long hard look at yourself if you're lashing out and ask yourself whether it may be you that has changed more than football and our club. That's fine. It happens. Sad, but fine.

Given all of the above, I therefore find it very hard to take when people pour buckets of boling piss all over football, and even our wonderful club. And I simply don't believe people when they justify this based on a loathing for issues like players wasting 5 seconds by kneeling down, VAR, having to sit down, not being able to have a pint and a fag while watching the game, not being able to racially abuse opposition players, or the limited opportunity for a ruck afterwards (the latter items a regular part of match day experience when I was a yoof). And I find it very tiresome when people feel the need to come on a BHA chat site and slag off the game and our club. Yes, we all have our opinions and a right (to an extent) to express them. Here is mine: I am bored with the intellectual dishonesty of a minority of posters on NSC; I have most of you on ignore and will doubtless be adding to this shortly, depending on the nature of any replies.

The boy HWT done good. He'll not be disappointed with that effort

 

[BN9 BHA]

Indeed.

And here is another point of view. I am very sad I can't go to watch games now because of Covid. I'm over 60, and age and health mean I'd be a fool to risk catching it.

It is a massive schlep for me, a 160 mile round trip, which I try to make interesting by devising cunning routes through the Kent and Sussex countryside. Normally I'm on my own because Mrs T and my son are usually otherwise engaged. There have been occasions when I've thought 'sod this', and back in the Withdean era I did give up my ST for a few years (although I kept slinking back).

But, for me, the football is now the best I have ever seen, a full Amex still gets the heart racing; the rules of the game need tweaking (especially now we have VAR) but this has always been the case. Substitutes were not allowed until 1965, and when I first went to the Goldstone subs were allowed only when a player was properly injured. And only the one. Rules change.

I have enjoyed watching on the telly. Until fairly recently (15 years ago) a live Brighton game on TV was as rare as rocking horse shit. I can remember only three: the FA cup final, the replay and a game away at Bournmouth during the crisis years. We are now live on TV via one source or another twice a week. Twice a week. If you'd told me that 20 years ago (and added this would be in the top division, with the Albion having a realistic chance, playing attractive footy, every game) I would probably have punched you hard in the face for lying and winding me up with cruel false promises.

And people complain. They complain about VAR. They moan about fake crowd noise on live coverage of Brighton games. Live games, twice a week. They moaned when some of these games incurred a charge on top of the Sky bill (even though they could easily be watched for nothing on a good stream from sites most of us know about). They snipe at our owner, via his CEO. Really?

I can understand people falling out of love with the game. I barely watched football from 1979 to 95, what with work, lack of money, living abroad, lack of money, depression and lack of money. Maybe I'm lucky that watching the Albion up and down the country became a thing with me when my life improved, and it meant great bonding time with my son, a chance to see the towns and cities of England (I had barely been north of London previously, despite travelling the world - after all, there's 'nothing to see up north, is there?'). And it meant escape, and then hope for a revival of our club. Bobby Zamora. Staying up late to watch football league highlights. Gillingam was easy for me (20 minute drive). Withdean and my first season ticket was a commitment, like marriage. The evening in the pub with [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] and [MENTION=314]Arthur[/MENTION] (more than 20 years ago, now) that was, impossible to image previously, hours of chat about nothing but The Albion. The hairs are standing up on the back of my neck as I think about it....

And slowly the football improved. Amazing people gave up so much campaigning to get us first to Withdean then to the amazing Amex. For the first 3 months at the Amex I had to pinch myself at every game. All these new supporters - would they understand or would they embarrass the club with booing and silliness? No, people got it and backed the team.

And now....4th season in the top flight. I was convinced we'd go straight down. But no. And we are now on the cusp between pragmatic survival and a great leap forward. Do you change the style before you change the players, or change the players first? Well it has to be both, and that's what is happening. And it is turbulent, and a bit worrying, but it is bloody exciting.

And yet people still complain. After all that, and with what we have now?

I can understand that people's health, life situation and other circumstances change. I can even understand that when this happens people can lash out, at their partners, their colleagues, the state of football as they see it, and even their football club. I have sympathy. But, goodness gracious me, take a long hard look at yourself if you're lashing out and ask yourself whether it may be you that has changed more than football and our club. That's fine. It happens. Sad, but fine.

Given all of the above, I therefore find it very hard to take when people pour buckets of boling piss all over football, and even our wonderful club. And I simply don't believe people when they justify this based on a loathing for issues like players wasting 5 seconds by kneeling down, VAR, having to sit down, not being able to have a pint and a fag while watching the game, not being able to racially abuse opposition players, or the limited opportunity for a ruck afterwards (the latter items a regular part of match day experience when I was a yoof). And I find it very tiresome when people feel the need to come on a BHA chat site and slag off the game and our club. Yes, we all have our opinions and a right (to an extent) to express them. Here is mine: I am bored with the intellectual dishonesty of a minority of posters on NSC; I have most of you on ignore and will doubtless be adding to this shortly, depending on the nature of any replies. For the nature of my reply to any such replies, I refer you to Arkell v. Pressdram.

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