[News] There's no need to panic buy petrol

[Neville's Breakfast]

Northern Ireland has been hit as hard as anywhere by Covid and yet has had no issues with petrol or diesel supplies. Most likely explanation is that no one listens to LBC over there.

Be as sarcastic as you like. Have you ever bemoaned the influence of the Daily Mail or the Sun ? Seems odd that you dismiss the similar power of the BBC and LBC. Is it because their view conforms to yours and therefore couldn’t possibly be irresponsible propaganda ?

 

[McTavish]

Northern Ireland has been hit as hard as anywhere by Covid and yet has had no issues with petrol or diesel supplies. Most likely explanation is that no one listens to LBC over there.

Or perhaps because they are still in the single market. They also haven't had any problems getting CO2.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

No, I can see very clearly the same bitter people from five years ago all over anything that makes them feel superior. Hence all the comments about stupidity and the attempts to crowbar Brexit into a cause of any problem. On another thread a lorry driver has gone into detail about the structural problems in his industry. A certain mentality doesn’t want to listen and we have a rolling news agenda about the lorry driver problems being caused by Brexit. Now we have a consequent fuel crisis.

The structural problems exasperated by a huge disruption to the way the workforce operates and deals with staff. You can protest that Brexit is crow barred in, but to suggest this has nothing whatsoever to do with it - you're just crow barring it out.

Now I'm also not saying Brexit is the sole problem here, or the root cause, however to suggest it doesn't come into it - really?

Reading between the lines, the only other huge player you appear to be reluctant to criticise is the Government. If there is a structural problem in this country, then it will be a problem we've known about since 2010, and certainly known about since 2016. Following 2016, you would have thought priorty 1 for leaving the EU would be to ensure the flow of goods and trade within the UK and in and out of it. This hasn't happened. You blaming bitter people who have no influence over government policy and decision making - well, makes you wonder who the bitter one really is...

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I was up in Scarborough and Whitby at the weekend. I'd filled up before the crisis broke, but we needed to fill up before we came back. Saturday evening I drove straight into a Sainsbury's garage in Whitby. No queues. No shortages. All pumps working. On Saturday and Sunday we didn't see a single garage up north that was out of fuel or had more than two or three cars queuing. Got down south Sunday afternoon and .... bloody hell the queues were unbelievable! Hundreds of cars blocking the roads.

Obviously this is just my observation, but Northerners are sensible, pragmatic people who can see the bigger picture and aren't spooked by a couple of stories saying that some garages had delivery problems. Southerners on the other hand are a bunch of fearful, hysterical, pea-brained morons whose first reaction to any bit of remotely bad news is to fly into a blind panic.

Unbelievable. (Or sadly perhaps not).

Similar here in Merseyside. My only worry is whether or not to drive down south for the game at the weekend. Might be safer up here where it is a bit more sensible.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

[MENTION=6678]severnside gull[/MENTION] tried to do ‘the right thing’ and in the post above yours explains he cannot now get petrol. The fear of being in that position was fed by media coverage. My wife told me that she was listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC on her way into work last week and he was urging people to buy petrol. James O’Brien was feeding it by exaggerating the HGV driver shortage because he can’t get over Brexit.

My apologies, I thought this was all the BBC's fault, as that was certainly what was being said on here previously. I didn't reliase that other tw@ts had been stirring the pot too...!

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

I was up in Scarborough and Whitby at the weekend. I'd filled up before the crisis broke, but we needed to fill up before we came back. Saturday evening I drove straight into a Sainsbury's garage in Whitby. No queues. No shortages. All pumps working. On Saturday and Sunday we didn't see a single garage up north that was out of fuel or had more than two or three cars queuing. Got down south Sunday afternoon and .... bloody hell the queues were unbelievable! Hundreds of cars blocking the roads.

Obviously this is just my observation, but Northerners are sensible, pragmatic people who can see the bigger picture and aren't spooked by a couple of stories saying that some garages had delivery problems. Southerners on the other hand are a bunch of fearful, hysterical, pea-brained morons whose first reaction to any bit of remotely bad news is to fly into a blind panic.

Unbelievable. (Or sadly perhaps not).

I suppose it's where you are rather than Northeners or Southerners being so different. My Dad filled up fine on Saturday near Uckfield.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19605417.petrol-stations-hit-fuel-shortages-across-region/

 

[sparkie]

Or perhaps because they are still in the single market. They also haven't had any problems getting CO2.

I dream of one day entering the Sunlit Uplands of the Single Market.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Be as sarcastic as you like. Have you ever bemoaned the influence of the Daily Mail or the Sun ? Seems odd that you dismiss the similar power of the BBC and LBC. Is it because their view conforms to yours and therefore couldn’t possibly be irresponsible propaganda ?

I can't deny the sarcasm. Sadly it missed the target.

Let me spell it out for you. The media influences are irrelevant here, the impact of the Northern Ireland protocol means that Northern Ireland has a completely different experience of Brexit to the rest of the UK. They have been left in a difficult and dangerous position by the folly of voters and the poor execution of politicians. You seem to really struggle with people holding politicians accountable for the execution of their policies.

 

[Insel affe]

I drove up to Manchester Friday afternoon and back Sunday, motorway service stations seemed ok, a slight que, but nothing outrageous. half a tank left should see me ok until Friday I guess, things will be ok after that.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Please show me evidence of my supposed conspiracy theory beliefs. In my original post I clearly stated I said it jokingly to wind up a few young labourers on-site. What is wrong with you?

It's the general tone of your most recent posts that made me think you go down the alternative route.

You claimed it was a joke, then said it "got them thinking". Why did it get them thinking if it was a joke?

You talked about people being "sheep" and "not trusting government" - all classic Facebook/Twitter tropes used by conspiracy theorists.

I clearly got it wrong, so apologise unreservedly.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The structural problems exasperated by a huge disruption to the way the workforce operates and deals with staff. You can protest that Brexit is crow barred in, but to suggest this has nothing whatsoever to do with it - you're just crow barring it out.

Now I'm also not saying Brexit is the sole problem here, or the root cause, however to suggest it doesn't come into it - really?

Reading between the lines, the only other huge player you appear to be reluctant to criticise is the Government. If there is a structural problem in this country, then it will be a problem we've known about since 2010, and certainly known about since 2016. Following 2016, you would have thought priorty 1 for leaving the EU would be to ensure the flow of goods and trade within the UK and in and out of it. This hasn't happened. You blaming bitter people who have no influence over government policy and decision making - well, makes you wonder who the bitter one really is...

Except none of that is true. It is though what you want to believe. I agree with every word you say about the Government and have said so. Perhaps it is convenient for the debate for you to believe otherwise as it allows you to dismiss an opposing point of view. The Government is constantly reactive rather than proactive and, as you say, have not tackled fundamental problems.

 

[crodonilson]

Sales of jerry cans going through the roof now.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No, I can see very clearly the same bitter people from five years ago all over anything that makes them feel superior. Hence all the comments about stupidity and the attempts to crowbar Brexit into a cause of any problem. On another thread a lorry driver has gone into detail about the structural problems in his industry. A certain mentality doesn’t want to listen and we have a rolling news agenda about the lorry driver problems being caused by Brexit. Now we have a consequent fuel crisis.

A bit harsh. If you think someone who thinks Brexit may have a role in this is simply 'bitter'?

I am listening to the 5live phone in on this and nobody (yet) is blaming Brexit. They are blaming the BBC for creating the story and the mug British public for being dicks.

I posted yesterday that I was torn about whether the (real but not catestrophic) fuel shortage should have been reported or not. I am still torn (and it would be in my 'interest' as a 'remainer' and 'labour party member' to have the shortage broadcast high and wide in order to discredit the tories and brexit). No glee here. No agenda either.

I would also add that it would be perverse if the public are hoarding fuel because the media is blaming Brexit.....the public voted hugely in favour of Brexit and would literally riot if bitter people started to jeopardize it.

Of course I don't literally subscribe to all that. But it is very easy to invent a narrative and claim it is more plausible than someone else's.

One thing that is indisputable is that initially there was a fuel supply shortage due to a shortage of drivers. And the shortage of drivers was because.......?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I was up in Scarborough and Whitby at the weekend. I'd filled up before the crisis broke, but we needed to fill up before we came back. Saturday evening I drove straight into a Sainsbury's garage in Whitby. No queues. No shortages. All pumps working. On Saturday and Sunday we didn't see a single garage up north that was out of fuel or had more than two or three cars queuing. Got down south Sunday afternoon and .... bloody hell the queues were unbelievable! Hundreds of cars blocking the roads.

Obviously this is just my observation, but Northerners are sensible, pragmatic people who can see the bigger picture and aren't spooked by a couple of stories saying that some garages had delivery problems. Southerners on the other hand are a bunch of fearful, hysterical, pea-brained morons whose first reaction to any bit of remotely bad news is to fly into a blind panic.

Unbelievable. (Or sadly perhaps not).

A cursory look at an electoral map of southern England does sort of back up your position

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Sales of jerry cans going through the roof now.

Are we still allowed to say that?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

A bit harsh. If you think someone who thinks Brexit may have a role in this is simply 'bitter'?

I am listening to the 5live phone in on this and nobody (yet) is blaming Brexit. They are blaming the BBC for creating the story and the mug British public for being dicks.

I posted yesterday that I was torn about whether the (real but not catestrophic) fuel shortage should have been reported or not. I am still torn (and it would be in my 'interest' as a 'remainer' and 'labour party member' to have the shortage broadcast high and wide in order to discredit the tories and brexit). No glee here. No agenda either.

I would also add that it would be perverse if the public are hoarding fuel because the media is blaming Brexit.....the public voted hugely in favour of Brexit and would literally riot if bitter people started to jeopardize it.

Of course I don't literally subscribe to all that. But it is very easy to invent a narrative and claim it is more plausible than someone else's.

One thing that is indisputable is that initially there was a fuel supply shortage due to a shortage of drivers. And the shortage of divers was because.......?

Yes, you’re right. I was a bit harsh and I certainly over generalized.

 

[beorhthelm]

Or is it down to the fact that apparently BP released a statement saying they had closed a handful of forecourts due to driver shortages. HGV driver shortages has been a media story for some time now and this was another element of it. The initial reports on ITV and BBC didn't, as far as I'm aware, report any fuel shortage. The subsequent scare stories in the print media are probably what induced the frenzy.

Did BP release the statement to try and force the Government to do something about the shortage? Had the Government been warned about this months ago and have done nothing hence the BP statement? Who knows, but I think this is a case of 'don't shoot the messenger' in respect of BBC and ITV.

apparently BP is having some industrial dispute with drivers at some depots, so possible they're trying to poke some government assistance to alleviate that. media got hold of the story, emphasised this caused a couple of forecourts to close, chaos ensued. and that goes some way to explain why this happened now and not the week or months before.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Except none of that is true. It is though what you want to believe. I agree with every word you say about the Government and have said so. Perhaps it is convenient for the debate for you to believe otherwise as it allows you to dismiss an opposing point of view. The Government is constantly reactive rather than proactive and, as you say, have not tackled fundamental problems.

And those fundamental problems include the consequences of Brexit.

I haven’t actually dismissed an opposing point of view, you haven’t really given one, you just seem to not want to include leaving the EU as any part of this - that is the main thing I’ve picked up on with you, and actually not proclaimed you are wrong or proclaimed I know definitively what is going on.

The only convenient thing in our discussion is you dismissing any view different to yours.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

No, I can see very clearly the same bitter people from five years ago all over anything that makes them feel superior. Hence all the comments about stupidity and the attempts to crowbar Brexit into a cause of any problem. On another thread a lorry driver has gone into detail about the structural problems in his industry. A certain mentality doesn’t want to listen and we have a rolling news agenda about the lorry driver problems being caused by Brexit. Now we have a consequent fuel crisis.

Just another day on NSC with the Brexit Tourettes sufferers...

'We are not saying it's all about Brexit but .. Brexit Brexit, Brexit brexit... '



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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yes, you’re right. I was a bit harsh and I certainly over generalized.

That's my métier. Hand off!