[TV] The Traitors - BBC

[McTavish]

Surely the best tactic for Minah would be to pick someone who will be a terrible traitor rather than someone who would be good at it? If she picked someone already under suspicion and a bit unstable - Freddie or Anna, for example - then there is a high chance that they will be banished, all the faithful are happy that they have got rid of another traitor and Minah gets to pick the next sacrificial lamb.

 

[rippleman]

The faithful not involved in the death card game were obsessed that one of the three who survived MUST be a traitor. Why?

It was a purely random scenario. If a traitor had put themselves amongst the four to take part, there was a pure random chance that they would lose. A traitor can never be killed and when they all turned up for breakfast the 3 faithful would know 100% who a traitor was.

It would have been the stupiest move ever by the traitors in any show. (And I've watched every episode of every series made - and last night was the best episode I have seen). Of course all four were going to be faithfuls.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Surely the best tactic for Minah would be to pick someone who will be a terrible traitor rather than someone who would be good at it? If she picked someone already under suspicion and a bit unstable - Freddie or Anna, for example - then there is a high chance that they will be banished, all the faithful are happy that they have got rid of another traitor and Minah gets to pick the next sacrificial lamb.

I think that would be true, if there were fewer faithful left.
But now she's down to just herself and 11 faithful, it makes sense to have a good alliance for a while to try and misdirect the faithful to banish themselves.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

The faithful not involved in the death card game were obsessed that one of the three who survived MUST be a traitor. Why?

It was a purely random scenario. If a traitor had put themselves amongst the four to take part, there was a pure random chance that they would lose. A traitor can never be killed and when they all turned up for breakfast the 3 faithful would know 100% who a traitor was.

It would have been the stupiest move ever by the traitors in any show. (And I've watched every episode of every series made - and last night was the best episode I have seen). Of course all four were going to be faithfuls.

Mainly because Minah was keen to sow the seed, with the slow of thinking group.

 

[Triggaaar]

That's exactly what I was thinking I wondered where the breathing pipe was etc. I'm really surprised that only 1 person after that leapt on frankie being a traitor.

In season 1 they buried people under 8" of soil.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

The faithful not involved in the death card game were obsessed that one of the three who survived MUST be a traitor. Why?

It was a purely random scenario. If a traitor had put themselves amongst the four to take part, there was a pure random chance that they would lose. A traitor can never be killed and when they all turned up for breakfast the 3 faithful would know 100% who a traitor was.

It would have been the stupiest move ever by the traitors in any show. (And I've watched every episode of every series made - and last night was the best episode I have seen). Of course all four were going to be faithfuls.

The TV wizards would have worked a way for the traitor to survive that. Quite simple in fact. The other 3 are going to be murdered so no one would ever know.

Either the traitor wins in the 4 way death match anyway or, if they are down to the final 2 players they just need to look up at the player who they are up against (when it's the final 2) and say, "sorry. I'm a traitor. You're murdered"

Again, no witnesses.

 

[Triggaaar]

Surely the best tactic for Minah would be to pick someone who will be a terrible traitor rather than someone who would be good at it? If she picked someone already under suspicion and a bit unstable - Freddie or Anna, for example - then there is a high chance that they will be banished, all the faithful are happy that they have got rid of another traitor and Minah gets to pick the next sacrificial lamb.

I disagree. They'd know they've been brought in as a sacrificial lamb (same happened in previous seasons) and when banished they'd say they were only just recruited.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The faithful not involved in the death card game were obsessed that one of the three who survived MUST be a traitor. Why?

It was a purely random scenario. If a traitor had put themselves amongst the four to take part, there was a pure random chance that they would lose. A traitor can never be killed and when they all turned up for breakfast the 3 faithful would know 100% who a traitor was.

It would have been the stupiest move ever by the traitors in any show. (And I've watched every episode of every series made - and last night was the best episode I have seen). Of course all four were going to be faithfuls.

Surely Alexander is going to speak to Anna and Leon to speak up about the death game?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The TV wizards would have worked a way for the traitor to survive that. Quite simple in fact. The other 3 are going to be murdered so no one would ever know.

Either the traitor wins in the 4 way death match anyway or, if they are down to the final 2 players they just need to look up at the player who they are up against (when it's the final 2) and say, "sorry. I'm a traitor. You're murdered"

Again, no witnesses.

Both traitors had to murder in plain sight.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Both traitors had to murder in plain sight.

Ok. Well the other one comes round the corner in their cloak and says "sorry. You are playing against my fellow traitor and you are murdered"

Done.

Again, there would be not witnesses so they could murder through interpretive dance if they really wanted.

 

[Gwylan]

The faithful not involved in the death card game were obsessed that one of the three who survived MUST be a traitor. Why?

It was a purely random scenario. If a traitor had put themselves amongst the four to take part, there was a pure random chance that they would lose. A traitor can never be killed and when they all turned up for breakfast the 3 faithful would know 100% who a traitor was.

It would have been the stupiest move ever by the traitors in any show. (And I've watched every episode of every series made - and last night was the best episode I have seen). Of course all four were going to be faithfuls.

But they didn't know in advance that it was going to be pure chance. In the second series, there was a traitor in the dungeon, so it wasn't unknown for a traitor to put him or herself in a vulnerable position. And as all the participants have seen previous series, they know that there could be a traitor there - what's more, they know (or think they know) that the chances are that there is a traitor among the four. I also think that if there was a traitor in the final two, they'd have fiddled it somehow.

 

[Triggaaar]

Surely Alexander is going to speak to Anna and Leon to speak up about the death game?

Leon needs to point out how the last round was played, to show it was random and not just him murdering the last person.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Leon needs to point out how the last round was played, to show it was random and not just him murdering the last person.

According to him.

No one witnessed the last game being played. A faithful can quite easily believe that the final game was never played as Leon is (in their view) a traitor.

I'm not sure him explaining will help all that much in persuading someone (who suspects him already) that he isn't a traitor

 

[Triggaaar]

But they didn't know in advance that it was going to be pure chance. In the second series, there was a traitor in the dungeon, so it wasn't unknown for a traitor to put him or herself in a vulnerable position. And as all the participants have seen previous series, they know that there could be a traitor there - what's more, they know (or think they know) that the chances are that there is a traitor among the four. I also think that if there was a traitor in the final two, they'd have fiddled it somehow.

I think you have a point, although in the previous series, there was no game. The traitors chose who to murder, and wouldn't chose themselves. This time it was a game of chance and they so know this.

 

[Triggaaar]

According to him.

Yes, but we all talked about how the last game would be played and none of us got it right. Him explaining how it was different makes it more believable.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Yes, but we all talked about how the last game would be played and none of us got it right. Him explaining how it was different makes it more believable.

Indeed, but my brain would just be thinking "you played the game through as described and either you won anyway, or you lost and then told the 'winner' they were murdered anyway"

Imagine if Fozia was a traitor. That would have been great TV to see Leon punching their air when he won, only for Linda to emerge in a cloak and say "sorry, Fozia is a traitor and you are murdered"

Fozia goes back to the castle having won a game she can quite easily explain to the others as a game of chance.

It's the joy of the show I guess, viewing the exact same scenario which different tinted glasses on. If I wasn't suspecting Leon then I would see it as likely proof he is faithful. If I was suss of him then I would, with admittedly bias thinking, be saying "he wasn't ever going to be murdered because he's a traitor"

 

[Gwylan]

I think you have a point, although in the previous series, there was no game. The traitors chose who to murder, and wouldn't chose themselves. This time it was a game of chance and they so know this.

They do now, but they didn't when choosing the four. A traitor could easily have put herself forward thinking that there'd an easy way to avoid being murdered. The other thing that we don't know is whether there was a Plan B if there had been a traitor in the four and the result wouldn't have been left to chance.

 

[Dave the OAP]

The faithful not involved in the death card game were obsessed that one of the three who survived MUST be a traitor. Why?

It was a purely random scenario. If a traitor had put themselves amongst the four to take part, there was a pure random chance that they would lose. A traitor can never be killed and when they all turned up for breakfast the 3 faithful would know 100% who a traitor was.

It would have been the stupiest move ever by the traitors in any show. (And I've watched every episode of every series made - and last night was the best episode I have seen). Of course all four were going to be faithfuls.

Exactly. Why they voted for the diplomat guy was just straight thick!!!

The blonde soldier is a fiesty so and so isn’t she !!!

 

[stewart12]

Fair to say that whoever invented this show is an absolute f***ing genius

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Fair to say that whoever invented this show is an absolute f***ing genius

It's an elaboration of a party game I used to know as Werewolf.

Each player is either a Villager or a werewolf or the gamemaster.
Each round all players apart from the werewolf, close their eyes and the werewolf silently nominates a player to be killed to the Gamemaster
The gamemaster taps that person on the shoulder.
Then everyone opens their eyes discover whose been killed and discuss who they think the werewolf is.