[TV] The Traitors - BBC

[Freddo]

She voted for him but then changed her mind when she looked Harry in the face. She was so close to winning, but Harry saying No I’m not, changed it.
watch the clip on BBC2.

She wrote Harry's name down. She had huge doubts.

Okay, I shouldn’t have said “no doubts whatsoever”, my point was just that she didn’t think either was a traitor and didn’t want to vote for either of them

 

[Wozza]

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

That's true, but Jaz didn't spell it out for Mollie. Jaz was amazing, but he f***ed up.

Really? It couldn't have been anymore obvious to Mollie once Jaz voted to continue with banishment that Jaz wasn't a traitor. He had a right to believe that she could work it out.

 

[Triggaaar]

Really? It couldn't have been anymore obvious to Mollie once Jaz voted to continue with banishment that Jaz wasn't a traitor.

You misunderstand - Mollie agreed with you, she was sure Jaz wasn't a traitor. But she also thought Harry wasn't, so she simply had to choose which faithful to banish. Jas made it clear he wasn't sure Harry was a traitor. He needed to be more persuasive, but he stood mostly in silence.

 

[Triggaaar]

When they were down to the final 4, Andrew and Harry both said there might not be any traitors left. RED FLAG - RED FLAG - RED FLAG

So they think Claudia murdered Zack did they?

 

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

Harry got a bit lucky, surely when there were 4, Andrew and Harry just had to banish Jaz

 

[Triggaaar]

Harry got a bit lucky, surely when there were 4, Andrew and Harry just had to banish Jaz

No, Andrew had to banish Harry. If they had banished Jaz, Harry would 100% then get Mollie to vote out Andrew at the end. Andrew's only chance was to get rid of Harry when he still had someone (Jaz) to help, and Harry would not have shared.

 

[drew]

Really? It couldn't have been anymore obvious to Mollie once Jaz voted to continue with banishment that Jaz wasn't a traitor. He had a right to believe that she could work it out.

For a share of £95k I wouldn't just expect her to believe, I'd explain it till I was blue in the face!

 

[Simster]

Harry got a bit lucky, surely when there were 4, Andrew and Harry just had to banish Jaz

But once Jaz decided Andrew was a traitor, it made more sense for him to follow Jaz and a) open the possibility of convincing them to end the game and b) winning twice as much money.

 

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

But Andrew voting for Harry just made him look like a traitor. In fact implicated him and Harry. If Jaz was banished they may have all voted green, Harry may have shared the money.

 

[pb21]

Jaz should have voted for Harry when Andrew was still in and was going to obviously vote for Harry too, not sure what would've happend if it was 2 votes each though.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Mollie won't get any votes from anyone else, no point even trying to banish her. She'll be final two (if it goes down to 2, which I expect it will). The question will be whether it's final two with Harry, or with Jaz IMO. Evie will go first, then it will be Andrew vs Jaz. If Andrew goes before Jaz, it'll definitely be a final 2 (Jaz won't let the game end with Harry in play and who wins comes down to who can convince Mollie). If Jaz goes and Andrew stays, then Andrew is stuffed - Harry will want him out, and Mollie already suspects him, so that's an easy vote.

Good call, respect.

 

[Triggaaar]

If Jaz was banished they may have all voted green, Harry may have shared the money.

You're as naive as Mollie

 

[Loadicus Trux]

I did, at one point, think, has Mollie actually played a blinder here?
Has she identified Harry as a Traitor and then got in with him, knowing that he would welcome someone like her defending him the whole time, thus saving her from murder, only to screw him over at the end and take the money.
Sadly no. Too much to ask.
Harry's plan couldn't have gone any better.

 

[GloryDays]

Great ending.

#teamjaz played a good hand. Just relied upon someone else at the end. Yes, he could have been more persuasive at the final vote for sure but Mollie had already made her mind up episodes ago that, tbh, Faithful or Traitor, she was just going all in on Harry for some reason.

Harry got a piggy back from her all the way to the final. It's the game, he did well, but he's not Einstein. Have to say there was a lot of thick people in that castle. Great entertainment for sure but something doesn't sit well about long term manipulatiion of a very vulnerable person. Like emotional abuse in a relationship. Echoing back to S01 as well which isn't a very pretty pattern of history. I think Mollie knew and was just in denial - hence the will she / won't she drama at the end.

Excellent TV and a great insight in to people's psyche, but she might need a little bit of therapy.

 

[pb21]

Faithful or Traitor, she was just going all in on Harry for some reason.

I think the reason was hopes that Harry had reciprocal ideas.

 

[Hamilton]

To defend Mollie here, every single player (bar Jaz) was dumbstruck when they discovered that Harry was a traitor, so she’s hardly stupid.

If you’ve watched ‘uncloaked’ then every player’s reaction to seeing Harry’s name is the same: “WTF!”

 

[Hamilton]

For a share of £95k I wouldn't just expect her to believe, I'd explain it till I was blue in the face!

Agree, but that reaction could easily have been misconstrued as treacherous behaviour.

 

[A1X]

 

[Cordwainer]

As said before..great TV. Almost played out as a popularity contest in the end..arguably on the surface the ‘nicest’ contestants made it through to the end..very difficult for Jaz to get people behind his Harry traitor bandwagon as Harry was so apparently beloved by all. Seems unkind to label Mollie as thick as she was clearly moonstruck by Harry and he, whilst not perhaps being the sharpest knife in the drawer, was able to milk that right until the end. Been interesting to see if Harry had been faithful, whether he would have lasted as well.