The Second Investec Ashes Test, England v Australia, Lords

[Canonman]

Pietersen, still not convinced about this South African.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The QUEEN isn't very LUCKY, is she? Any chance of her toddling off back to Buck House soonish?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Pietersen, still not convinced about this South African.

He's scored 7000 Test runs at an average of 50. He'll be gutted to hear that.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

no wonder Her Majesty has stormed off after this shambles

if these were the good old days then Cook and that child that they've let play with adults would be thrown in the tower of london and tried for TREASON

 

[Basil Fawlty]

The QUEEN isn't very LUCKY, is she? Any chance of her toddling off back to Buck House soonish?

I think we started like this in 09, when The Queen was here.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

no wonder Her Majesty has stormed off after this shambles

if these were the good old days then Cook and that child that they've let play with adults would be thrown in the tower of london and tried for TREASON

Don't Harris and Pattinson have three English parents between them? If there's any hangings for TREASON going on, they've got to be first in line...

 

[sten_super]

The discrepancy in the system is the Trott and Root LBW decisions. Trott was given not out on the field, but that was overturned on DRS when for most people the front view showed a nick off the bat. No side hotspot available, and so there is absolutely no way the 3rd umpire could be in a position to overturn the on field decision.

For Root, given out, the replays suggested bat and pad at the sametime, maybe pad marginally first, so sticks with the on field decision correctly.

The Agar decision was just a poor one, as there is being certain and being certain, from pretty much every angle it looked out, I don't think anyone could work out where the 3rd umpires doubt came from.

But the Trott one was just like the Agar one, only MUCH WORSE. It was a f*** up from the third umpire, nothing more, nothing less. The system (as applied to Root) is correct, it's the application that's fallible.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Australia have only ever lost 6 times at Lords! Should be dropped as a test venue for the Ashes.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

Don't Harris and Pattinson have three English parents between them? If there's any hangings for TREASON going on, they've got to be first in line...

Pattinson got asked to play for England, I think did one game for the Lions. But then decided to play for the Aussies.....

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Don't Harris and Pattinson have three English parents between them? If there's any hangings for TREASON going on, they've got to be first in line...

well as far as i'm concerned, Australia is still the property of QE2 and these two teams are simply putting on an exhibition of cricket between england and england as australia are still under british RULE...the fact that an england captain can disrespect our leader by putting on that disgrace of a performance is disgusting....should be a hanging offence imo

 

[Barrel of Fun]

no wonder Her Majesty has stormed off after this shambles

if these were the good old days then Cook and that child that they've let play with adults would be thrown in the tower of london and tried for TREASON

I hope she gave her ticket away to a lurker outside the ground.

 

[Canonman]

He's scored 7000 Test runs at an average of 50. He'll be gutted to hear that.

Yep no doubting his figures, but he ought to be getting into the eighties more times than he does.

 

[larus]

Yep no doubting his figures, but he ought to be getting into the eighties more times than he does.

What are you on about? His AVERAGE is 50. It doesn't take a lot of working out that to get an average of 50, he will be getting a lot of scores of 50 or more to balance the low scores which happen!!!!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

What are you on about? His AVERAGE is 50. It doesn't take a lot of working out that to get an average of 50, he will be getting a lot of scores of 50 or more to balance the low scores which happen!!!!

Pietersen often DOES let himself down though, and I think over-confidence often comes into it. Take his dismissal today - ball did nothing much - KP stood there and thought "I'll just knock this down the pitch". And he would have too, in 5 or 6 overs time, when he'd got himself in properly - like he DID in the second innings at Trent Bridge. Often guilty of going too hard, too soon, without putting the hard work in first.

 

[keaton]

Going round in circles now. That's not true of the Agar incident at all. He was NOT given 'not out' on the field.

Ish. He wasn't given Out, therefor it had to be porved he was Out. It's not that you're supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to the batsmen, it's that you can only give what you can see. The batsment 'natural' state is Not Out, something has to happen to make him 'Out' so without evidence of that he remains Not Out

 

[spring hall convert]

The bounce off this pitch will probably not last. I know it's an established habit to bat first, but on modern pitches that don't deteriorate that badly to the last day, it's worth getting the best of the pitch on the first morning. Again, I'd have fancied bowling at them, put the pressure on. Now we're back foot from the off once more...

At Lord's there's definately an argument for this. In recent years, there's always been plenty in it for the bowlers in the first session. The pitch tends to get quicker on days 2&3 before flattening out on days 4&5. It's a tough place to set a score to chase on as the pitch loses pace and it rarely turns a great deal.

It's a brave decision though, insert the opposition & have the opposition 350-1 at the end of the first day appears to be a far bigger captaincy "crime" than getting skittled.

 

[spring hall convert]

So who are the people moaning about England's top order bringing in then?

The next cabs off the rank are Compton, Taylor, Morgan & Bopara I reckon. I don't see any of those guys making this team better.

 

[Triggaaar]

The discrepancy in the system is the Trott and Root LBW decisions. Trott was given not out on the field, but that was overturned on DRS when for most people the front view showed a nick off the bat. No side hotspot available, and so there is absolutely no way the 3rd umpire could be in a position to overturn the on field decision.

For Root, given out, the replays suggested bat and pad at the sametime, maybe pad marginally first, so sticks with the on field decision correctly.

The Agar decision was just a poor one, as there is being certain and being certain, from pretty much every angle it looked out, I don't think anyone could work out where the 3rd umpires doubt came from.

To be honest I agree with all that (the Trott decision was just bad). I don't think there's a lack of clarity with the rules, just the odd bad decision.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

So who are the people moaning about England's top order bringing in then?

The next cabs off the rank are Compton, Taylor, Morgan & Bopara I reckon. I don't see any of those guys making this team better.

Antony Stokes of Durham, you can add into the mix for our top order. But he is to inconsistent for this format. But still has great potential though.

 

[keaton]

Antony Stokes of Durham, you can add into the mix for our top order. But he is to inconsistent for this format. But still has great potential though.

That's not really that useful then