The saved penalty [video]

[8ace]

I've just seen it on South Today, looked even worse than I thought at the time.

 

[LamieRobertson]

i thought bozza held his iphone very steady for quite a long time...top class video taking

 

[Ken Newbury]

I'm a Barnes fan.

It was a shit penalty.

CMS should have taken it.

End of thread.

So am I

No it wasn't

No he shouldn't

No it isn't

 

[bhawoddy]

So am I

No it wasn't

No he shouldn't

No it isn't

Funny!

OF course it was a Shit pen -open your eyes..loool

I think Barnes shoulda taken it too - he just missed.

Def not end of thread, its hotting up.

BTW, im with MrBurns - If the pen is taken correctly and its right in the top corner - No keeper in the world can save it, assuming they are standing in the centre of the goal as its struck.

Of course if they decide to lean against the post and light up a fag whilst its being taken then i guess they might get it.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Funny!

OF course it was a Shit pen -open your eyes..loool

I think Barnes shoulda taken it too - he just missed.

Def not end of thread, its hotting up.

BTW, im with MrBurns - If the pen is taken correctly and its right in the top corner - No keeper in the world can save it, assuming they are standing in the centre of the goal as its struck.

Of course if they decide to lean against the post and light up a fag whilst its being taken then i guess they might get it.

depends which post

 

[bhawoddy]

depends which post

you choose lamster.

 

[LamieRobertson]

lol havent a clue...never played in goal

 

[bhawoddy]

lol havent a clue...never played in goal

i did years Ago. never lit a fag up though during a game

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Who is able to say "It's a good/bad penalty" if it goes in then most will say great shot...if it does'nt then the "Guy can't score even at a penalty"...Which corner to choose? most will go for one corner or the other...but to me the penalty which is hit hard...about 6' high down the centre usually results in a goal...the goalie will dive one way or the other leaving a big V target in the middle....it's my opinion anyway!

 

[bhawoddy]

Who is able to say "It's a good/bad penalty" if it goes in then most will say great shot...if it does'nt then the "Guy can't score even at a penalty"...Which corner to choose? most will go for one corner or the other...but to me the penalty which is hit hard...about 6' high down the centre usually results in a goal...the goalie will dive one way or the other leaving a big V target in the middle....it's my opinion anyway!

and a very valid one at that. goalkeeprs dont tend to risk standing upright and making themselves look silly if it goes in either corner.

Str8 down the middle is as good as any - as long as you score.

 

[JCL666]

I find your statement ridiculous as well.

A) Goalkeepers no longer "Guess" the way to dive. We've moved on a bit from those days.
and b) Penatiles should be scored regardless what way the keeper dives, otherwise surely 50% of all penalties would be justifyably saved wouldn't they.

Your 12 yards out. THe keeper is standing in the middle of the goal. They should be scored at least 9 times out of ten.

This is an example of OPINION masked as fact. On what basis should they score at least 90% of the time?

Do you have anything to back this up? NO

Have a look at these stats.

Ronaldo, who is one of the best players in the world has a career record of about 34 scored from 38 taken. Wow he misses 10% of the time..... AND HE'S ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

Messi, who is considered one of the greatest of all time... 20 from 27... He misses 25% of the time.

I'm beginning to think you talk a lot of shit..... Actually I've known that for sometime.

 

[LamieRobertson]

and a very valid one at that. goalkeeprs dont tend to risk standing upright and making themselves look silly if it goes in either corner.

Str8 down the middle is as good as any - as long as you score.

but then of course if u do that say three times in the row..if the goalie has done his homework then its likely that third one will be saved..thats one i would keep as a surprise....thats if i took penalties

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

and a very valid one at that. goalkeeprs dont tend to risk standing upright and making themselves look silly if it goes in either corner.

Str8 down the middle is as good as any - as long as you score.

A lot of saved pens are often that the goalkeeper will do a 'mid-dive'. By this I mean not FULLY commit his body the full corner.

This is an example of boosting your percentages. I.e Alot of your body is going towards a corner while also leaving the legs dangling in the central part of the goal.

Some high profile saves that have won shootouts have been saved by the dangling leg in the centre of the goal. I remember Dudek in the champions league being very good at it. Also if you watch Joe Hart, he will do the same technique of half diving but leaving his legs really spread in the centre to cover more area.

For that reason I would say the centre is always a risky area as, even if the keeper dives, this can still be covered.

Of course this only really relates to shots at a mid to low height rather than smashed hard and high.

Am I right in thinking CMS hit one hard and central this season?

 

[LamieRobertson]

A lot of saved pens are often that the goalkeeper will do a 'mid-dive'. By this I mean not FULLY commit his body the full corner.

This is an example of boosting your percentages. I.e Alot of your body is going towards a corner while also leaving the legs dangling in the central part of the goal.

Some high profile saves that have won shootouts have been saved by the dangling leg in the centre of the goal. I remember Dudek in the champions league being very good at it. Also if you watch Joe Hart, he will do the same technique of half diving but leaving his legs really spread in the centre to cover more area.

For that reason I would say the centre is always a risky area as, even if the keeper dives, this can still be covered.

Of course this only really relates to shots at a mid to low height rather than smashed hard and high.

Am I right in thinking CMS hit one hard and central this season?

u r correct re cms

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A lot of saved pens are often that the goalkeeper will do a 'mid-dive'. By this I mean not FULLY commit his body the full corner.

This is an example of boosting your percentages. I.e Alot of your body is going towards a corner while also leaving the legs dangling in the central part of the goal.

Some high profile saves that have won shootouts have been saved by the dangling leg in the centre of the goal. I remember Dudek in the champions league being very good at it. Also if you watch Joe Hart, he will do the same technique of half diving but leaving his legs really spread in the centre to cover more area.

For that reason I would say the centre is always a risky area as, even if the keeper dives, this can still be covered.

Of course this only really relates to shots at a mid to low height rather than smashed hard and high.

Am I right in thinking CMS hit one hard and central this season?

Yes, at Watford.
I remember Ben Roberts save against Swindon in the playoff semi final. He went to his left but spread his arms so that the shot which went central bounced back off of his forearm.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

u r correct re cms

It's interesting then that we dont see a lot more do that. I mean if you're a keeper and you even managed to GUESS right and stand still, if the ball was SMASHED at you, whats the most you could do? Parry it back maybe?, You certainly wouldn't have time to purpously push it away into safety.

Also from last night, I noticed Cluj's goalkeeper was reported to have GUESSED the right direction when he saved Felipe Melo's penalty. He will NOT be happy that the media have reported he purely GUESSED.

"Momentum immediately swung the way of the hosts and after Felgueiras thwarted Altintop, Laszlo Sepsi conceded a penalty for handball with 10 minutes of the first half remaining. Felipe Melo stepped up to take the spot-kick but the keeper guessed right, clawing the ball away and capping a brilliant half"

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Yes, at Watford.
I remember Ben Roberts save against Swindon in the playoff semi final. He went to his left but spread his arms so that the shot which went central bounced back off of his forearm.

Ah yes, and David Seaman also did that against Spain in Euro 96 as well as against Gary McCalister (spelling?) in the same tournament. He also had his elbow pointed and managed to stop it with that.

Dudek did similar against Shevchenko on the winning penality in Instanbul but left a dangling arm behind. It made the great Sheva look a fool.

 

[Turkey]

Whatever. You're just playing with words now, and I can't be arsed with it.

You have proved in this thread alone, that you know f*** all about football, but like to try and join in when people try and discuss it. Well done.

Whilst you've proved you're a nasty piece of work. Well done.

 

[Don Quixote]

It is absolutely possible to send the keeper the wrong way, using your body shape. I'm not a particularly talented footballer, but I took the pens for years for my various clubs, finishing with a record of 22 from 24. (I was 20 from 20, but messed it up trying to be clever!).

Most of my penalties, in terms of how well struck they were, were not as good as Barnes' last night*, but as people have said, that part isn't relevant if you've fooled the keeper.


I do think Barnes was unlucky last night though, regardless. That pen is probably going in at least 7 times out of 10. In general 8 from 10 (80% success rate) is a good penalty record for a footballer. Players like Le Tiss or Alexander really are the exceptions.


*Nor were they taken a. in front of 26,000 people or b. against Kasper Schmeicel!

You were often taking penalties against professional goalkeepers were you?

 

[Mr Burns]

This is an example of OPINION masked as fact. On what basis should they score at least 90% of the time?

Do you have anything to back this up? NO

Have a look at these stats.

Ronaldo, who is one of the best players in the world has a career record of about 34 scored from 38 taken. Wow he misses 10% of the time..... AND HE'S ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

Messi, who is considered one of the greatest of all time... 20 from 27... He misses 25% of the time.

I'm beginning to think you talk a lot of shit..... Actually I've known that for sometime.

For the record, I am actually with Poyet when he shrugs off Barnes' miss.

No one can blame Barnes because we lost. I may be in the top hundred people on here who don't rate Barnes as a championship footballer, but I perfectly accept penalties will be missed.

But do I think a professional footballer should score from 12 yards with a free shot at goal every time. Yes I do.
Do I think the perfectly hit penatly is unsaveable. Yes I do.
But when a player, Barnes , does miss, and we lose one nil, should that player come in for grief for costing us a point. No way.