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The postal strike [Merged]







Grendel

New member
Jul 28, 2005
3,251
Seaford
Where do you live then?

Why do you lose your job if you strike? is it because you haven't got a union sticking up for your rights?

It is not perfectly acceptable for me or my colleagues to go on strike, we haven't taken the decsision lightly.

Just off to f*** myself.

I'm not sure of the relevance of your first question but seeing as you asked, Haywards Heath.

Because I'd be in breach of my employment contract. I don't think that the issue of "rights" comes into the equation whatsoever. Do you have a "right" to higher pay? Do you have a "right" to prevent your employer from changing working practices? Do you bollocks.

If you think it's unacceptable behaviour then why strike in the first place? It's a pathetic attitude that's a throwback to the seventies and eighties: "My employer won't give in to my every demand so I'm going to throw my toys out the pram and not bother going to go into work today, and sod the millions of people that I'm inconvieniencing by not doing my job."
 


The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
I'm not sure of the relevance of your first question but seeing as you asked, Haywards Heath.

Because I'd be in breach of my employment contract. I don't think that the issue of "rights" comes into the equation whatsoever. Do you have a "right" to higher pay? Do you have a "right" to prevent your employer from changing working practices? Do you bollocks.

If you think it's unacceptable behaviour then why strike in the first place? It's a pathetic attitude that's a throwback to the seventies and eighties: "My employer won't give in to my every demand so I'm going to throw my toys out the pram and not bother going to go into work today, and sod the millions of people that I'm inconvieniencing by not doing my job."

People are moaning on here about Brown's 'broken promises'. In effect, a working contract is a a promise. If you undo that contract (i.e. promise) in return for something worse, are you prepared to accept it? Or would you rather do something about it? By your answer, you are prepared to accept it - come what may.

You asked 'Do you have a "right" to prevent your employer from changing working practices?' You think no-one does. By the same token, does the employer have the right to unilaterally change those practices? Especially when it is a deterioration of parctices and not for long-term benefit of anyone - company, employees, customers et al.

Of course, if you want the company to function with an unmotivated workforce...
 




British Bulldog

The great escape
Feb 6, 2006
10,974
Because I'd be in breach of my employment contract. I don't think that the issue of "rights" comes into the equation whatsoever. Do you have a "right" to higher pay? Do you have a "right" to prevent your employer from changing working practices? Do you bollocks.

The posties like a lot of workers still have the "right" to fight for pay and conditions, Do you? Do you bollocks!
 




Well, i can understand that!!

Our postie doesnt knock on the door when he's delivering a parcel - he jsut puts the red card through!! He put a red card through for a recorded delivery (when we were all downstairs near the door) and also put a red card through for an amazon one - when it could go through the letterbox! (I tried it!) Is it worth complianing about - or will it just be ignored?

Once our Postman just left the parcel on the doorstep.................................Good idea in an inner city area



What we can't get is.............

During the week when we out working our post arrives at 10.

On Saturday, when we at home it arrives at 8?
 










I'm not sure of the relevance of your first question but seeing as you asked, Haywards Heath.

Because I'd be in breach of my employment contract. I don't think that the issue of "rights" comes into the equation whatsoever. Do you have a "right" to higher pay? Do you have a "right" to prevent your employer from changing working practices? Do you bollocks.

If you think it's unacceptable behaviour then why strike in the first place? It's a pathetic attitude that's a throwback to the seventies and eighties: "My employer won't give in to my every demand so I'm going to throw my toys out the pram and not bother going to go into work today, and sod the millions of people that I'm inconvieniencing by not doing my job."


The relevance is that you said you can live on £18,700 a year, in Haywards Heath? Do you still live with your parents or do you have a partner? I cannot see you being able to live off that on your own!

Why don't I have a right to higher pay? Why don't I have right to prevent my employer from bringing in new working practices? It is the 21st century in case you have forgotten, we are not in the 18th and 19th Century anymore. Where people like you would live happily in their poor conditions and wouldn't dare ask their employer for anything at all.

I was trying to point out that striking is not really acceptable but when you have an employer who does not want to engage in any meaningful discussion, then you have no choice, unless it is you and you take it on the chin and accept the unfair conditions impose on you.

Don't talk about throwing toys out the pram mate, when as part of your original post you told all postal workers to go f*** themselves. Very adult and very mature. More like behaviour to come from someone who is still in a pram not part of a reasoned debate on NSC.
 


I'd be in breach of my employment contract.
Indeed you would. On your own, nobody would pay any attention to your grievance.

The point about a unionised workforce is that when 65 per cent vote not to work, the employer starts to listen. It's not "the union" that is running this strike. It's the workforce acting together.
 




Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
I wish all the posties good luck. Esp. the ones on here who have taken time to explain the issues.

As someone who was a trade union member for a long time, I agree. As it happens, my postman isn't on strike as I have received mail every day this week.
 


Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
Once our Postman just left the parcel on the doorstep.................................Good idea in an inner city area



What we can't get is.............

During the week when we out working our post arrives at 10.

On Saturday, when we at home it arrives at 8?

Saturday is our 'short day' and we don't have to take any post with a M where the stamp should be.
If you check your post (when you get it) for all of next week, you will find M is the stuff you don't want/need. It's the unsolicited (sp) but addressed mail.
Even though it costs just a few pence for buisnesses to send, it does make up the bulk of our job. Hence it being difficult for RM to run the 'last mile' of the service.

If we did away with Saturday work we'd lose at least 1/5th of the work force, (more than that want to go). The customers, (that's the businesses not you guys), wouldn't care, and the general public are not going to miss the 1 letter the might recieve on every other Saturday.
 


Arthur

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
8,761
Buxted Harbour
All the posties I know work until the pubs open then sit in one all day occasionally nipping to the bookmakers. When they are at work all they do is rob the post. Come 40 when they have suffered the effects of 25 years constant daily boozing they claim disability benefit. I've got 3 in my local who are all under 50 and no longer work but can still afford to sit in the boozer all day.

I say f*** em, the only reason there are 40k job cuts is because people have no faith in them any more and are using alternative sources to send their mail.

They've brought it on themselves.
 




Jul 5, 2003
12,644
Chertsey
If we did away with Saturday work we'd lose at least 1/5th of the work force, (more than that want to go). The customers, (that's the businesses not you guys), wouldn't care, and the general public are not going to miss the 1 letter the might recieve on every other Saturday.

I would miss it! I normally send back dvd's on lovefilm on wednesdays so i would get a new dvd on saturdays!
 


seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,946
Crap Town
No they haven't!

My brother works for the Civil Service and he is still on his final salary scheme.
Existing staff are still in the final salary scheme which is now closed to new entrants.New entrants go into a new scheme which is based on average earnings.I believe that this was a compromise to avoid massive industrial action if the retirement age was raised to 65 to existing employees who have a right to retire at 60 under Civil Service rules.
 


seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,946
Crap Town
It's bullshit Stat Brother. Sixty percent of mail for delivery offices is ready to leave mail centres at midnight.
So why on earth do they have to move delivery start times later.
Why not send the mail to the DO when it is ready?
Part of the strings that are attached to the pay deal means that the night shift will virtually disappear so that RM dont need to pay any night allowance. Early starts will be later and have a knock on effect so most people wont get their mail until late afternoon as the business mail will get priority. When they have got rid of 40000 with modernisation plans , RM will casualise deliveries with agency staff which means that they wont complete their walks because their shift has finished and they will just dump it back into the nearest postbox.
 


severnside gull

Well-known member
May 16, 2007
24,827
By the seaside in West Somerset
i have the right to use electronic mail banking etc thereby withdrawing my financial support from the postal workers who are concerned less about the quality of service they provide than exercising their right to withdraw labour.

I know who will lose in the end same as the british car workers and miners who no longer have an industry after giving it away in pursuit of exercising their right to strike and strike and strike or the railway workers who continue to lose market share to alternative means of transport
 




Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
Existing staff are still in the final salary scheme which is now closed to new entrants.New entrants go into a new scheme which is based on average earnings.I believe that this was a compromise to avoid massive industrial action if the retirement age was raised to 65 to existing employees who have a right to retire at 60 under Civil Service rules.

Not the Principal Civil Service Pension premium scheme which is the final salary scheme open to new members as far as I'm aware.

The classic and classic plus schemes are closed to new members but all 3 are final salary schemes.

The main differences are the multiplication factors at the end (1/80ths, 1/60ths per year - that sort of thing) and the death in service benefits. Also, they offer a personal pension scheme called the partnership pension scheme with very generous employer contributions too. You can also buy added years within all 3 schemes, AVCs or if you earn under (i think) £30k you can also have a stakeholder pension scheme.
 


John Byrne

New member
Jun 18, 2007
768
All the posties I know work until the pubs open then sit in one all day occasionally nipping to the bookmakers. When they are at work all they do is rob the post. Come 40 when they have suffered the effects of 25 years constant daily boozing they claim disability benefit. I've got 3 in my local who are all under 50 and no longer work but can still afford to sit in the boozer all day.

I say f*** em, the only reason there are 40k job cuts is because people have no faith in them any more and are using alternative sources to send their mail.

They've brought it on themselves.

You twat....wake up and smell the coffee...just because you seen a few posties do this that means were all like it??

The postman are striking not about pay but because of the way the company want to change the whole practice of how they work.

From monday ALL postman will be on a later start because Royal Mail have enforced it. Instead of coming in at 5am it will change to 6.15am...which means a later delivery. Which as everyone is moaning because there not getting their mail during the strike...imagine what it will be like getting your mail 1 hour and 15 mins later than you currrently do.

Secondly they want to change the way we work, no overtime instead if someone is sick or on holiday the workers have to cover that round and not get paid for it. During the summer walks will be lapsed and workers will also have to cover these for free. This will also mean even later deliveries!

They also want to make all postman BANK staff so they can change their contracted hours on a daily basis. You ring up each day and find out what office and what round/walk you are on and what time you start. This can be either 2 hours earlier or later than you official 6.15am start.

This flexible approach which RM are enforcing is why they postman like myself are striking. Don't forget we are losing 4 days pay....i for one wouldn't be striking unless it was necessary. We are trying to save our jobs!

What RM are forgeting is that people have children and some 2nd jobs in the afternoon and other commitments. You can't be expected to change all this in one go, it has to be a gradual process which is fair to both employer and worker.
 


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