The Moscow Airport Bombing. I'm going to go out on a limb...

[Mellotron]

Of course I would be massively pissed off... but it wouldnt be directed just at Islam....

It would be directed to fanatics and the reasons for their lunacy.

I was meeting my daughter years ago on Palace pier, when they had the alert for the IRA pipebomb left there.
I was pissed off at terrorists and the reasons for the terrorism..not at Catholics.

I think we got wires crossed, I'm agreeing with you and my post was aimed at someone else.

 

[SW17]

Great place to hold an international sports tournament wouldn't you say?

They're not gonna play matches in the airport

 

[daveinprague]

Mellotron...yeah, i just realised that

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Terrorists

just a hunch.

There, I've corrected your post for you.

 

[bhaexpress]

Ghandi promoted peace, but there was a lot of serious bloodshed during the partition of India.

That was Muslims against Hindus though, they aren't the best of friends now either. The problem stemmed from Musilms living in India being forced to move to Pakistan and vice versa with the Hindus, a lot of attrocities were carried out.

 

[daveinprague]

That was Muslims against Hindus though, they aren't the best of friends now either. The problem stemmed from Musilms living in India being forced to move to Pakistan and vice versa with the Hindus, a lot of attrocities were carried out.

Well yeah... my point being you can have a figurehead...as in Ghandi.. but what the people do to each other is another thing.
Civil war is always the dirtiest.

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

There, I've corrected your post for you.

granted, but where are they getting their instructions to commit acts of terrorism? the koran.

i'm not anti-islamic any more than i'm anti-christian, -semitic, etc. and you can say all you want about mis-interpretation, but it is interpretation in the first place. you'd do well to read "the tiger who came to tea" and come out thinking you must kill all non-believers. would just much rather these nutters retreated back to the voices in their heads and kept the rest of us well out of it.

 

[daveinprague]

Chechynia and Dagastan isnt a war over Islam..its a war over independence by people who just happen to be muslims...
They are getting their instructions from the leaders of the insurgencies....

Dont think the IRA recieved orders directly from the bible or the Vatican.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

granted, but where are they getting their instructions to commit acts of terrorism? the koran.

i'm not anti-islamic any more than i'm anti-christian, -semitic, etc. and you can say all you want about mis-interpretation, but it is interpretation in the first place. you'd do well to read "the tiger who came to tea" and come out thinking you must kill all non-believers. would just much rather these nutters retreated back to the voices in their heads and kept the rest of us well out of it.

People on both sides are using religion as a convenient tool. What it boils down to is people who believe they are repressed and want independence - in some peoples eyes they are freedom fighters and in others terrorists. In some ways the Russians regards Chechynia, the Israelis regards Gaza and the British regards Ireland only have themselves to blame. And before people accuse me of supporting the slaughter of innocents, I don't, but I would pose the question what would YOU do if you were being suppressed by an "invader" who had all the military might they needed to hand and all you had was bombs and the odd gun ? Strange because I never see anyone label the Free French in the second world war as terrorists or indeed Nelson Mandela ( although he was fighting something different from invasion ).

 

[keaton]

Ghandi promoted peace, but there was a lot of serious bloodshed during the partition of India.

Gandhi also suggested the Jews should accept the holocaust, he was a bit of an oddball

 

[brakespear]

And before people accuse me of supporting the slaughter of innocents, I don't, but I would pose the question what would YOU do if you were being suppressed by an "invader" who had all the military might they needed to hand and all you had was bombs and the odd gun ? Strange because I never see anyone label the Free French in the second world war as terrorists or indeed Nelson Mandela ( although he was fighting something different from invasion ).

A fair point.....I don't know, I know it's just an emotive response but to me I can't see that any group that is capable of carrying something like what happened at Beslan has any sort of validity.

 

[goldstone]

muslims?

just a hunch.

They do tend to specialise in this activity.

 

[Lokki 7]

yeah, sorry, i couldn't help myself. you can say what you like about nsc, but the opportunity it affords you to post something controversial and watch the binfestery commence, really is top drawer.

Yes, well done you for seizing on the recent bombing of innocent human beings to provoke a reaction on the internet for your own personal amusement. Oh how we laughed as their shattered limbs were scraped off the airport walls.

granted, but where are they getting their instructions to commit acts of terrorism? the koran.

I must have missed the Moscow airport bombing instructions chapter. Maybe it was in a special appendix at the back of the Koran because it doesn't rhyme?

 

[Dr Bandler]

I dont think its acceptable killing innocent people at all... but then im not on the recieving end of a repressive regime...with no other way to fight back...
So how I would approach it is obviuously different to somebody who has nothing, no future, and is occupied by another countries military with advanced weapons and whose religion is totally different to mine and who have no problems rounding up civilians and shooting them in ditches.

I think the problem with your analysis is the assumption that the people of Chechnya would have a better life, free from repression, if they were given independence. The lesson of other old satellite states of the old Soviet Union, including and particulalry the Muslim ones, is that that they are more than capable of terrorising their own people when they have power. And probably with an even lower standard of living that they have while ruled by Russia. So, to make out that these are some romantic, heroic, freedom fighters battling nasty old Russia really isnt accurate.

 

[bhaexpress]

I think the problem with your analysis is the assumption that the people of Chechnya would have a better life, free from repression, if they were given independence. The lesson of other old satellite states of the old Soviet Union, including and particulalry the Muslim ones, is that that they are more than capable of terrorising their own people when they have power. And probably with an even lower standard of living that they have while ruled by Russia. So, to make out that these are some romantic, heroic, freedom fighters battling nasty old Russia really isnt accurate.

Having said that as part of the USSR they were discrimanted against for being Muslim, the Russians have done the same with Jews and the Polish to name but two. The reason that these states sought independance was to be able to have their own culture without oppression from Moscow. Believe me Stalin was every bit as evil as Hitler.

 

[Dave the OAP]

granted, but where are they getting their instructions to commit acts of terrorism? the koran.

QUOTE]

I am sorry BUT they are not. they are getting their ideas from Immams who interpret what the Koran says...If you listen to teh Council of Muslims in the UK, for every " kill a unbeliever" statement in the Koran, they can point at 100 other places where it says the opposite. To be honest the Spanish Inquisition were not that a million miles away from what is going on now, or Queen Mary ( tudor) who had Protestants killed because they were protestants, ie religious bigotry.

Trouble is if it is not God these people use as their excuse, it could just as easily be something else....colour of skin, " looking at me in a funny way"......

 

[KneeOn]

This thread didn't even have a grace period of sensible posting.

NSC at its finest.

 

[Dr Bandler]

Having said that as part of the USSR they were discrimanted against for being Muslim, the Russians have done the same with Jews and the Polish to name but two. The reason that these states sought independance was to be able to have their own culture without oppression from Moscow. Believe me Stalin was every bit as evil as Hitler.

I agree - Stalin was a monster. However, although they are no angels I wouldnt comapre Medvedev and Putin with Stalin. To go back to my point, though, the leaders of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, etc are no pussycats either.

 

[Lokki 7]

Why did the Chechen cross the road?
Because the Russians bombed his house.

It’s not very funny, when your house is in ruins and your family lie buried beneath and you are carrying all your possessions in a plastic bag in the street.

 

[The Spanish]

Its worked in the past in a couple of places, but I doubt it would have much effect nowadays...wasnt there a case of immolation in Tunisia last week?
Believe there was also a case in Egypt. Barely made the news.

i was thinking more of your adopted homeland dave.