The Moscow Airport Bombing. I'm going to go out on a limb...

[Biscuit]

"out on a limb"?

 

[daveinprague]

So, If a member of your family or indeed close friend was killed by a terrorist atrocity, you would be all "realistic" and accept it as part of todays society?

What else could I do? Imagine its because of something other?

 

[Mellotron]

So, If a member of your family or indeed close friend was killed by a terrorist atrocity, you would be all "realistic" and accept it as part of todays society?

Not necessarily but you would be MASSIVELY PISSED OFF at the cause of the terrorism, wouldn't you?

 

[daveinprague]

Why do the target inocents then. If the targeted the Government only or the military then I would have some kind of simpathy becuase the they would be fighting a war. But they're not, they're killing anyone and it will solve nothing. Waste of life and gets no support from anyone.

We do the same thing with missile attacks in Waziristan/Afghanistan etc with missiles....we seem to manage to kill civilians in these places almost daily....If you look at it straight, they have attacked a major transport hub.

 

[Mellotron]

And the worst of it all is that I have no idea what the best way to counter it is.

You make it sound like you're in charge of security....you are?!

We're all gonna die!

 

[Dave the OAP]

Why do the target inocents then. If the targeted the Government only or the military then I would have some kind of simpathy becuase the they would be fighting a war. But they're not, they're killing anyone and it will solve nothing. Waste of life and gets no support from anyone.

Because they are "terrorists". That is the whole Worldwide Jihad bit. everyone ( including in London and New York their fellow muslims) is a target. In fact if you look at the massacres in Iraq, the shiites take as much pleasure massacring sunnies as well as westerners)

One could argue that there is a relatively stable peace in Iraq ( certainly compared to not that long ago) yet they are still bombing each other because one imman interprets the writings of some other immams thousands of years ago and thinks that it justifies killinmg an other immams followers.

With this, no-one knows yet, but the Russians have an altogether different way in dealing with "suspected terrorists" than our control orders...maybe that is the problem?

 

[bhaexpress]

News report I heard on the way to work was that Muslims who have been persecuted by Russians in Chechyna are suspected. However, given what the Russians are alleged to have done there and whilst two wrongs don't make a right it's not hard to see why this happened assuming that the Russian authorties suspicions are correct.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

The fact that is Muslims doing this (which they are) is incidental. If Chechnya was Christian it would be Christians doing it..... its not a religious thing... its a national thing.

I think thats what Dave is trying to say.

 

[daveinprague]

Not necessarily but you would be MASSIVELY PISSED OFF at the cause of the terrorism, wouldn't you?

Of course I would be massively pissed off... but it wouldnt be directed just at Islam....

It would be directed to fanatics and the reasons for their lunacy.

I was meeting my daughter years ago on Palace pier, when they had the alert for the IRA pipebomb left there.
I was pissed off at terrorists and the reasons for the terrorism..not at Catholics.

 

[sydney]

they have a taped warning from over a week ago that was ignored and the police have found the bombers head.....................apparently more to this than meets the eye ..........medvedev very keen to implement wholesale changes in domestic security.....!!!!

 

[Stoo82]

We do the same thing with missile attacks in Waziristan/Afghanistan etc with missiles....we seem to manage to kill civilians in these places almost daily....If you look at it straight, they have attacked a major transport hub.

The difference is we, I say we but its not US is it, its the Government, don't do it deliberately. Granted the Russian Government may well do things different in Chechnya.

I just cant understand why you think its exceptiable to kill innocent people.

Lets say I have a problem with the British Government because, for arguments sake, my borther is in the military, and was killed in a training exerice at the fault of the Government. Is it then exceptable to blow-myself up in Churchill Square and kill 35 people becuase thats just part of modern-day life?

 

[Dave the OAP]

The fact that is Muslims doing this (which they are) is incidental. If Chechnya was Christian it would be Christians doing it..... its not a religious thing... its a national thing.

I think thats what Dave is trying to say.

mmmmm...not usre that holds water really.

the only examples I can think of are ETA and IRA, both groups did not employ suicide bombers ( although you could argue the japs did in the last war) also in 99% of IRA/ETA bombings of "public targets", warnings were given.....not brilliant ones I grant you but they at least gave people the chance to run away...some terrorist with a bomb strapped to him/her standing next to you and you have no chance!

 

[Stoo82]

The fact that is Muslims doing this (which they are) is incidental. If Chechnya was Christian it would be Christians doing it..... its not a religious thing... its a national thing.

I think thats what Dave is trying to say.

I agree, but that dont make the IRA right does it.

 

[The Spanish]

The fact that is Muslims doing this (which they are) is incidental. If Chechnya was Christian it would be Christians doing it..... its not a religious thing... its a national thing.

I think thats what Dave is trying to say.

that may or may not be true, but its generally the case that the less you are into either the less of a f***ing oddball you are.

 

[daveinprague]

The difference is we, I say we but its not US is it, its the Government, don't do it deliberately. Granted the Russian Government may well do things different in Chechnya.

I just cant understand why you think its exceptiable to kill innocent people.

Lets say I have a problem with the British Government because, for arguments sake, my borther is in the military, and was killed in a training exerice at the fault of the Government. Is it then exceptable to blow-myself up in Churchill Square and kill 35 people becuase thats just part of modern-day life?

I dont think its acceptable killing innocent people at all... but then im not on the recieving end of a repressive regime...with no other way to fight back...
So how I would approach it is obviuously different to somebody who has nothing, no future, and is occupied by another countries military with advanced weapons and whose religion is totally different to mine and who have no problems rounding up civilians and shooting them in ditches.

 

[The Spanish]

and is occupied by another countries military with advanced weapons and whose religion is totally different to mine.

what about non agressive self immolation

 

[Stoo82]

I dont think its acceptable killing innocent people at all... but then im not on the recieving end of a repressive regime...with no other way to fight back...
So how I would approach it is obviuously different to somebody who has nothing, no future, and is occupied by another countries military with advanced weapons and whose religion is totally different to mine and who have no problems rounding up civilians and shooting them in ditches.

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

 

[daveinprague]

Its worked in the past in a couple of places, but I doubt it would have much effect nowadays...wasnt there a case of immolation in Tunisia last week?
Believe there was also a case in Egypt. Barely made the news.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

If the Russians find out who was responsible they will pay dearly for their actions.

Their form of retribution is more severe and less restricted than most Western nations.

 

[daveinprague]

Ghandi promoted peace, but there was a lot of serious bloodshed during the partition of India.