[Politics] The Labour Government

[bluenitsuj]

People still sticking up for Labour

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

How many people outside of the military can explain the difference between a torpedo, missile or bomb?
Two of them landed on Antelope, unexploded, but then detonated, causing her to break up & sink.

Most people would have a good idea.

 

[The Clamp]

People still sticking up for Labour

You should have a look back at the Tory threads. Start circa 2010

 

[rogersix]

Bizarre logic and indicative of some of the delusion shown on here recently. Boris, Truss, Sunak and May all had esteemed, high level careers prior to being prime minister. Would you have used the same argument in defence of them?
"How can you call Boris an imbecile, he was chief editor of the spectator for 6 years and Mayor of London for 8?!"
"How can you call Theresa May out of her depth, she served as APAC's Head of the European Affairs for 7 years?!"

Wasn't he given the bullet at the spectator?

 

[A1X]

Bizarre logic and indicative of some of the delusion shown on here recently. Boris, Truss, Sunak and May all had esteemed, high level careers prior to being prime minister. Would you have used the same argument in defence of them?
"How can you call Boris an imbecile, he was chief editor of the spectator for 6 years and Mayor of London for 8?!"
"How can you call Theresa May out of her depth, she served as APAC's Head of the European Affairs for 7 years?!"

I would argue there is a clear distinction between being bad at a job (as May and Johnson were) and not being capable of doing it in the first place (which is the case with Liz Truss). You can certainly argue the case on Starmer on the former if you want (personally I think it’s far too early to judge) but not on the latter IMHO.

 

[The Clamp]

I would argue there is a clear distinction between being bad at a job (as May and Johnson were) and not being capable of doing it in the first place (which is the case with Liz Truss). You can certainly argue the case on Starmer on the former if you want (personally I think it’s far too early to judge) but not on the latter IMHO.

May is a perfectly competent person. She is intelligent and capable. She’s just a bit of a **** .

Johnson mistakes back-stabbing and f***ing people over for intelligence and cunning.

He’s a bully. He’s incompetent. And he’s selfish in the extreme.

A guileless, spineless, shirker with the work ethic of a toddler.

Should never have been anywhere near the press or parliament.

 

[Is it PotG?]

How many people outside of the military can explain the difference between a torpedo, missile or bomb?
Two of them landed on Antelope, unexploded, but then detonated, causing her to break up & sink.

You'd hope that if you were going for the sympathy angle, then the facts would be gathered and checked first.

His Dad was a toolmaker, he might have known.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You'd hope that if you were going for the sympathy angle, then the facts would be gathered and checked first.

His Dad was a toolmaker, he might have known.

His Dad wasn’t in the Navy, his Mum’s brother was. A toolmaker Isn’t an electrician.
My Dad was a torpedo man, who then switched (pun intended) to the newly formed electrical branch in 1948.

 

[Peteinblack]

People still sticking up for Labour

After three months - whereas people were still sticking up for the Conservatives after 14 years of shithousery, you among them, I expect.

 

[armchairclubber]

I would argue there is a clear distinction between being bad at a job (as May and Johnson were) and not being capable of doing it in the first place (which is the case with Liz Truss). You can certainly argue the case on Starmer on the former if you want (personally I think it’s far too early to judge) but not on the latter IMHO.

My thoughts are there is not such a clear distinction in British politics. We have had 14 years of pigs in the trough.

Regarding capability I question the issue of how compromised our politicians are and who they really serve.
With Starmer is he really a 'Socialist' man of the people or is he more subservient to the World Economic Forum / Davos and Israel Lobby thinking and ideology?
You have made clear and I understand that we would disagree on our answer to that question.

 

[Peteinblack]

May is a perfectly competent person. She is intelligent and capable. She’s just a bit of a **** .

Johnson mistakes back-stabbing and f***ing people over for intelligence and cunning.

He’s a bully. He’s incompetent. And he’s selfish in the extreme.

A guileless, spineless, shirker with the work ethic of a toddler.

Should never have been anywhere near the press or parliament.

May actually had some fairly decent policies; workers on the boards of companies, and requiring firms to publish their 'pay ratios' (how much their CEOs were paid compared to their workers) so we could see who the really greedy or exploitative ones were.

Sadly for May, she was surrounded by snarling backstabbing Thatcherites who thought she was too Left-wing (they thought the same about Sunak), and conspired against her at every opportunity, most notably over the EU Withdrawal Agreement, with Jacob Rees-Mogg's European Research Group (ERG) repeatedly voting against it/her in the House of Commons - and then blaming Labour for obstructing Brexit.

 

[Peteinblack]

Wasn't he given the bullet at the spectator?

and at the Daily Telegraph!

 

[amexer]

My thoughts are there is not such a clear distinction in British politics. We have had 14 years of pigs in the trough.

Regarding capability I question the issue of how compromised our politicians are and who they really serve.
With Starmer is he really a 'Socialist' man of the people or is he more subservient to the World Economic Forum / Davos and Israel Lobby thinking and ideology?
You have made clear and I understand that we would disagree on our answer to that question.

I am sure is a socialist but will be aware so much easier to have left wing views in opposition Different matter when in government when you have to make decisions. Then have to be a centralist as have to please all. Like Blair did for 3 terms.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

May actually had some fairly decent policies; workers on the boards of companies, and requiring firms to publish their 'pay ratios' (how much their CEOs were paid compared to their workers) so we could see who the really greedy or exploitative ones were.

Sadly for May, she was surrounded by snarling backstabbing Thatcherites who thought she was too Left-wing (they thought the same about Sunak), and conspired against her at every opportunity, most notably over the EU Withdrawal Agreement, with Jacob Rees-Mogg's European Research Group (ERG) repeatedly voting against it/her in the House of Commons - and then blaming Labour for obstructing Brexit.

May blotted her copybook with a proportion of the electorate, whilst Home Secretary introducing the Hostile Environment, and Windrush. When she became PM, she pushed Amber Rudd making her the fall guy.
She also tried to invoke Article 50, without Parliament, which was why she was taken to court by Gina Miller, because Parliament is sovereign, not the Prime Minister.
You are right, in that the ERG forced her out because her red lines weren’t to their liking.
Mind you, she didn’t help herself with her ‘Power Stand’ which was ridiculous.

 

[armchairclubber]

I am sure is a socialist but will be aware so much easier to have left wing views in opposition Different matter when in government when you have to make decisions. Then have to be a centralist as have to please all. Like Blair did for 3 terms.

Well all the very best with socialist and centralist Starmer pleasing you all.

 

[BrightonCottager]

It looks like the PM will be promising a bonfire of regulations today at the Investment Summit. Unless this is just the already trailed, consulted on and underwhelming changes to planning policies and procedures, we back in the territory that led to the 'one in, two out" doctrine of Eric Pickles that led to Grenfell.

And Labour MPs have been told not to criticise anything coming from the government.

 

[bluenitsuj]

Worst start to a government ever. Clueless.

 

[Weststander]

SKS is making a key note speech to the business world.

Following his earlier subliminal messages, we have an opportunity to corner the global market on sausages.

 

[armchairclubber]

P&O Ferries deserve every bit of criticism they get, firing 800 experienced workers, and rehiring workers, from India and the Philippines on half the wages.

I'm unsure if Peter Kyle agrees with you though don't doubt you will find alignment somewhere.

 

[fly high]

SKS is making a key note speech to the business world.

Following his earlier subliminal messages, we have an opportunity to corner the global market on sausages.

Come & do much more business here, invest lots of money so we can take it off you with higher taxes. By the way our economy is a total mess at the moment thanks to 14 year of Tory miss rule so we really need your cash to balance the books.