[Politics] The Labour Government

[Chicken Run]

Surely it's now time to merge this thread with the Labour Party Meltdown incoming. Difficult to keep monitoring things with split discussion.

I’m just waiting for someone like Zeb or similar to suggest now is the time for a Politics Sub forum

 

[Zeberdi]

I’m just waiting for someone like Zeb or similar to suggest now is the time for a Politics Sub forum

3 trolling posts about me one after the other.

You too added to the ignore list.

Goodbye.

 

[Chicken Run]

3 trolling posts about me one after the other.

You too added to the ignore list.

Goodbye.

Gutted

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That's bullshit, but don't let truth or accuracy get in the way of your long distance, don't even live here tubthumping.

I really do not see what my location has to do with anything; I have a vote, which on it's own is enough to be able to 'tubthump'....I also have enough interest and interests in the UK to want it and them looked after by a competent UK government.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

@WATFORD zero seemed to think Sue Gray was a civil servant too.

She hasn't been for 18 months now.

Your comparison is about as valid as comparing Sue Gray's salary to that of a Premier League footballer.

Special advisors are 'temporary civil servants'? This is what is stated from looking up a few websites regarding the inner workings of government. I'm not suggesting wages are comparable or whatever, just that her status is not as definite as saying she is not a civil servant.

 

[WATFORD zero]

@WATFORD zero seemed to think Sue Gray was a civil servant too.

She hasn't been for 18 months now.

Your comparison is about as valid as comparing Sue Gray's salary to that of a Premier League footballer.

Spads are 'temporary civil servants' and are paid by the civil service. Have been since Blair

 

[Bry Nylon]

Spads are 'temporary civil servants' and are paid by the civil service. Have been since Blair

I think Sue will soon be finding out that she is far more temporary than she had realised.

 

[de la zouch]

3 trolling posts about me one after the other.

You too added to the ignore list.

Goodbye.

Why do people need to announce they are going to ignore someone, it’s utterly hilarious, rather childish and very much “look at me” just put them on ignore ffs!

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I really do not see what my location has to do with anything; I have a vote, which on it's own is enough to be able to 'tubthump'....I also have enough interest and interests in the UK to want it and them looked after by a competent UK government.

You don't deny your post was bullshit then.

 

[Bozza]

Special advisors are 'temporary civil servants'? This is what is stated from looking up a few websites regarding the inner workings of government. I'm not suggesting wages are comparable or whatever, just that her status is not as definite as saying she is not a civil servant.

Spads are 'temporary civil servants' and are paid by the civil service. Have been since Blair

Are civil servants politically neutral: yes
Are Spads politically neutral: no

When a minister leaves a department, do the civil servants remain: yes
When a minister leaves a department, do Spads remain: no

When there's a change of government, do civil servants retain their jobs: yes
When there's a change of government, do Spads retain their jobs: no

Spads are not civil servants by any reasonable definition.

They are temporary workers. Freelancers. Contractors.

Which is why your comparison of Sue Gray's salary to that of other civil servants has absolutely no merit whatsoever.

 

[Bozza]

I'm wearing an Albion warm-up top today.

I'm a temporary Premier League footballer.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Are civil servants politically neutral: yes
Are Spads politically neutral: no

When a minister leaves a department, do the civil servants remain: yes
When a minister leaves a department, do Spads remain: no

When there's a change of government, do civil servants retain their jobs: yes
When there's a change of government, do Spads retain their jobs: no

Spads are not civil servants by any reasonable definition.

They are temporary workers. Freelancers. Contractors.

Which is why your comparison of Sue Gray's salary to that of other civil servants has absolutely no merit whatsoever.

I'm not convinced that there is no merit at all, in comparing the jobs of an advisor to the government on a permanent contract and an advisor to the government on a shorter contract, both paid from the same source. I think there are points of comparison.

 

[BLOCK F]

Had to laugh at this in The Times today, from a Labour source talking about Sue Gray, ‘she was the only pensioner in the country better off under a Labour Government.’

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You don't deny your post was bullshit then.

No, I stand by my statement your thread was started as a thiny veiled vehicle for your anti-Labour views....I just chose to ignore your reply.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

No, I stand by my statement your thread was started as a thiny veiled vehicle for your anti-Labour views....I just chose to ignore your reply.

You are wrong. So it's it's not a statement, it's a slur and an online falsehood disguised as an accurate or factual statement which it isn't. It's just you jumping to a conclusion that fits your personal narrative. Not anything thinly veiled or anti Labour. It was intended as a pulse check for how people were feeling on a daily basis. Much as you and others initially responded. I thought it would be an interesting dialogue over the years before the thread got hijacked, renamed and merged.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You are wrong. So it's it's not a statement, it's a slur and an online falsehood disguised as an accurate or factual statement which it isn't. It's just you jumping to a conclusion that fits your personal narrative. Not anything thinly veiled or anti Labour. It was intended as a pulse check for how people were feeling on a daily basis. Much as you and others initially responded. I thought it would be an interesting dialogue over the years before the thread got hijacked, renamed and merged.

A statement is a definite or clear expression of something in speech or writing. My post ticks all these boxes, it's clear, it's an expression and it's in writing. I think you may therefore be confusing 'statement' with another noun?

As for the rest of your post, my statement is clearly an opinion (opinions can be statments). Do I really need to explain this?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Are civil servants politically neutral: yes
Are Spads politically neutral: no

When a minister leaves a department, do the civil servants remain: yes
When a minister leaves a department, do Spads remain: no

When there's a change of government, do civil servants retain their jobs: yes
When there's a change of government, do Spads retain their jobs: no

Spads are not civil servants by any reasonable definition.

They are temporary workers. Freelancers. Contractors.

Which is why your comparison of Sue Gray's salary to that of other civil servants has absolutely no merit whatsoever.

Doesn't matter what any of us I think, the Government defines them as Civil Servants and has done for the last 15 years.

Look up my posts on Spads and you'll find I agree with a lot of what you say, and was equally pissed off when the papers were reporting civil servants being at the various parties when they were actually Spads. And this has been over a large number of years, long before Starmer and Gray arrived a few weeks ago. But they are paid by the taxpayer and are there are four Civil Service pay grades for Spads

Meanwhile, there has been a major drive by Government to get Civil Servants on to 2 year renewable contracts, so Ironically, we have a situation where some spads are lasting far longer than some Civil Servants.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

A statement is a definite or clear expression of something in speech or writing. My post ticks all these boxes, it's clear, it's an expression and it's in writing. I think you may therefore be confusing 'statement' with another noun?

As for the rest of your post, my statement is clearly an opinion (opinions can be statments). Do I really need to explain this?

You never know when to stop digging do you...

 

[armchairclubber]

Why do people need to announce they are going to ignore someone, it’s utterly hilarious, rather childish and very much “look at me” just put them on ignore ffs!

Have to agree with you there, particularly if or when they were also to say they are putting the thread on ignore.

Utterly pathetic.

 

[pocketseagull]

Accepting free stuff is definately as bad as cutting services in the name of austerity.

This looks likely to continue?