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Fitzcarraldo

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Nov 12, 2010
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You say that but a very good friend of mine has had 3 consultant misdiagnose her, which has now caused her considerable stress for the past 3 years and she still hasn't had an operation because of their incompetence.
Should they be accountable as in theory it could end up manslaughter?

She is so angry as what she is telling me it should have been a very straightforward diagnosis, and I believe every word as she is a hard working, honest and gets on with life type of character, and very selfless.
They are accountable? You can complain to the GMC if you think that the Drs are not fit to practice or are a risk to patients (or the NHS trust). Ultimately they could be charged criminally if it met the threshold.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
63,025
The Fatherland
If they cock up with people's lives should they be more accountable?
They are. If it's proven they have not followed their protocols the will be held accountable.
 


Bodian

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May 3, 2012
14,654
Cumbria
Absolutely outrageous rise, when there is only 2% inflation.
Hold on to your hats everyone labour due to spunk money to all public sector workers, watch how inflation will be off and out of control like Starmer after a pint.🫣
Just remember what you voted for.
Don't conflate doctors and teachers with local government officers. All 'public sector' but the latter are not what the media mean when they say 'public sector pay rises' - which almost always equate to the former.
Sorry but think 22% is a joke to people who when fully qualified will earning £120k plus. ( 70/80K If like all Dtrs in our practice choose now to work 3 days) Its certainly the time to be working in Public Services. They will now all have there hand out. While the rest of us have just been trying to keep businesses going and hang on to jobs .

They are juniors, good wages, lucky them, there time will come.
You do know that 'Junior' doesn't mean 'young' don't you? Of course you do.

You'll also know that their starting wage is around £32k because you'll have done some research.. And that they have had 15+ years of pay rises falling behind inflation. Yes - you probably know that as well, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant eh?

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Right Brain Ronnie

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Feb 20, 2023
744
North of North
Don't conflate doctors and teachers with local government officers. All 'public sector' but the latter are not what the media mean when they say 'public sector pay rises' - which almost always equate to the former.



You do know that 'Junior' doesn't mean 'young' don't you? Of course you do.

You'll also know that their starting wage is around £32k because you'll have done some research.. And that they have had 15+ years of pay rises falling behind inflation. Yes - you probably know that as well, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant eh?

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Mr patronise, I can't be arsed to respond, after hearing more about the Southport stabbing, they are far more important and have far more relevance than debating this with you.
 










Tubby Mondays

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Dec 8, 2005
3,130
A Crack House
Outside hospitals

Seen them

Yes

Standing a chanting with boards, while sipping on their champagne.


Taking 19 days off striking while patients have repeated cancelled operations, causing unnecessary disruption and worry for patients and families, and extra costs to me and you.

The No1 roll of a doctor is to treat their patients in a professional manor and care about their welfare, they failed this for 19 days.
Right so how were they being crap outside of hospitals?

How were they being lazy? Fast asleep presumably?

Anyone withdrawing their labour is a last measure. Double that for doctors.

For the avoidance of doubt; I work in the NHS and yet again you have shown that you are talking absolute toilet.
 


DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
17,428
Labour showing just how bad and clueless they are just like the people that voted for them. They are going from bad to worse but all of us clever ones knew that.
Labour showing that it’s more important to think about how well employees are looked after, that improving morale in the health service (and eventually other public services too), that treating people decently might go some way to improving the service despite the dreadful pressure they are constantly under because our doctor to head of population (and nurse, and radiologist and just about everything else) is probably the worst in Western Europe, and on top of that the buildings they are working in for many locations are falling apart because the Tories have miserably failed to maintain them.
 




Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,654
Cumbria
Labour showing that it’s more important to think about how well employees are looked after, that improving morale in the health service (and eventually other public services too), that treating people decently might go some way to improving the service despite the dreadful pressure they are constantly under because our doctor to head of population (and nurse, and radiologist and just about everything else) is probably the worst in Western Europe, and on top of that the buildings they are working in for many locations are falling apart because the Tories have miserably failed to maintain them.
It might also be attempting to address the problem below. I agree - give people a better reason to stay at work, and they will.

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jcdenton08

Offended Liver Sausage
NSC Patron
Oct 17, 2008
15,019
Annoyed about the winter fuel allowance.

It should be paid for all pensioners.

Or, you know, they could do something about the price gouging energy companies and cap the rates.
 








jcdenton08

Offended Liver Sausage
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Oct 17, 2008
15,019
Because the limit to receive pension credits is £11k - any pension income over £11k doesn’t receive the fuel allowance. So you’ll have pensioners on £11.5k struggling with food and all their bills - plus Sky high heating costs - for under £250 a week.
 
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DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
17,428
Annoyed about the winter fuel allowance.

It should be paid for all pensioners.

Or, you know, they could do something about the price gouging energy companies and cap the rates.
Why indeed. My wife and I are both pensioners. We’re ok but certainly not as well off as many of our contemporaries. We don’t need it and have given it away often either to our Children or to charities which will help others With fuel costs.
 






jcdenton08

Offended Liver Sausage
NSC Patron
Oct 17, 2008
15,019
No it shouldn’t.
Why should millionaires be getting this benefit, also some living abroad during the winter were claiming it.
Because the millionaires receiving it are an absolute minority compared to the millions on the poverty line subsisting after a life of working and paying taxes.
 


Boroseagull

Well-known member
Aug 23, 2003
2,155
Alhaurin de la Torre
No it shouldn’t.
Why should millionaires be getting this benefit, also some living abroad during the winter were claiming it.
Incorrect. We who live in Spain (mainland that is) had the winter fuel allowance taken away by IDS some 10 years ago. And yes, it does get bloody cold here in the winter (houses are of a different construction to UK and most do not have cavity insulation). So we have both central heating (pellets) and a log fire.
 


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