[Politics] The Labour Government

[Simster]

So ridiculous that a Labour minister should be hauled over the coals by the right-wing media for very minor work-related misdemeanours made years ago in the early part of their career.

When the Tories were in power this sort of thing was never even bothered with. People were rightly more concerned with their ongoing criminality and incompetence.

My thoughts exactly. Reeves is getting slaughtered over a triviality. It is ridiculous, but at least the right wing bias in the media is laid bare.

 

[Simster]

A massive 0.1% growth last month

Has she trebled the national debt yet? How about sent inflation to double figures? What about sending food bank usage from about 12 outlets to north of 2,000?

Perhaps she deserves a little more time than the 8 months she's been given before people sneer at frankly ludicrous reasons.

 

[A1X]

 

[dsr-burnley]

It's telling that they are coming out with an embellished CV from 20 odd years ago and the fact that Starmer was working on Xmas Eve, shows there is little to attack them with.

Obviously the WhatsApp group thing is poor and very bad taste though.

It's fairly common that when someone lies on their CV about their experience, they are making themselves vulnerable to being sacked if they get found out. (Obviously if they turn out to be really good at the job, the employer is more likely to turn a blind eye to the lie than if they prove to be useless ...)

As for Starmer, surely by now you have realised that him working on Christmas Eve isn't an issue. The issue about that was that Starmer spent years in opposition screaming merry hell that certain Tories were twisting or breaking the Covid rules, while at the same time declaring that his voice coach is a key worker and therefore the covid rules don't apply to Starmer.

 

[Chicken Run]

My thoughts exactly. Reeves is getting slaughtered over a triviality. It is ridiculous, but at least the right wing bias in the media is laid bare.

I like Rachel Reeves, a challenging job with less and less income tax to play with all playing out in front of the wolf pack who are ready to pounce! I’ve decided she’d make a great PM

 

[Simster]

I like Rachel Reeves, a challenging job with less and less income tax to play with all playing out in front of the wolf pack who are ready to pounce! I’ve decided she’d make a great PM

I don't know about PM although Starmer disappoints me. As for Reeves, I just feel she is being slaughtered over nothing and that has been the case since she took the job. When she delivered a budget, she had to raise funds from somewhere to start fixing the mess left behind by the least competent government any of us will ever see. Funds can be raised by raising taxes, increasing public borrowing or cutting public services. None of them are popular but the last one was impossible anyway as things have just about stopped working after a decade of Tory austerity - they are down to the bare bones.

Public borrowing has already trebled under that useless previous Conservative regime, which leaves raising taxes, where she was backed into a corner by promising no tax rises for the working person. Instead she targetted businesses in her budget, which has had the inevitable consequence of slowing growth. But she's been slaughtered for that in hindsight anyway. Given the way she's been hamstrung, I don't think her budget was bad at all.

People need to realise that the last Conservatives administration ruined the country, not 8 months of Starmer and Reeves. We are divided post-Brexit and much poorer. They really couldn't have done a worse job.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's fairly common that when someone lies on their CV about their experience, they are making themselves vulnerable to being sacked if they get found out. (Obviously if they turn out to be really good at the job, the employer is more likely to turn a blind eye to the lie than if they prove to be useless ...)

As for Starmer, surely by now you have realised that him working on Christmas Eve isn't an issue. The issue about that was that Starmer spent years in opposition screaming merry hell that certain Tories were twisting or breaking the Covid rules, while at the same time declaring that his voice coach is a key worker and therefore the covid rules don't apply to Starmer.

Having a voice coach nearby when making an important speech, is hardly peeing up the wall, breaking a childs swing nor bringing in suitcases of booze.
Johnson and Sunak pleaded guilty so case closed.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's fairly common that when someone lies on their CV about their experience, they are making themselves vulnerable to being sacked if they get found out. (Obviously if they turn out to be really good at the job, the employer is more likely to turn a blind eye to the lie than if they prove to be useless ...)

As for Starmer, surely by now you have realised that him working on Christmas Eve isn't an issue. The issue about that was that Starmer spent years in opposition screaming merry hell that certain Tories were twisting or breaking the Covid rules, while at the same time declaring that his voice coach is a key worker and therefore the covid rules don't apply to Starmer.

If everything that is incorrect on Linkedin led to people being sacked we could well see record unemployment again, and if Starmer broke the law, he will be charged and fined in exactly the same way Johnson, Sunak and the other 81 individuals in their Government were. Unless you are suggesting some sort of conspiracy

Now, what were you saying about CVs and breaking Covid rules again

 

[dsr-burnley]

If everything that is incorrect on Linkedin led to people being sacked we could well see record unemployment again, and if Starmer broke the law, he will be charged and fined in exactly the same way Johnson, Sunak and the other 81 individuals in their Government were. Unless you are suggesting some sort of conspiracy

Now, what were you saying about CVs and breaking Covid rules again

Of course he won't be charged. The police have rightfully said that it's more than 3 years ago and they won't waste any more time on possible fixed penalty offences.

 

[keaton]

Lying in parliament, in interviews, articles and official tweets is fine but on LinkedIn isn't?
It's an opinion I suppose

 

[pb21]

It's fairly common that when someone lies on their CV about their experience, they are making themselves vulnerable to being sacked if they get found out. (Obviously if they turn out to be really good at the job, the employer is more likely to turn a blind eye to the lie than if they prove to be useless ...)

As for Starmer, surely by now you have realised that him working on Christmas Eve isn't an issue. The issue about that was that Starmer spent years in opposition screaming merry hell that certain Tories were twisting or breaking the Covid rules, while at the same time declaring that his voice coach is a key worker and therefore the covid rules don't apply to Starmer.

Give it a rest

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Has she trebled the national debt yet? How about sent inflation to double figures? What about sending food bank usage from about 12 outlets to north of 2,000?

Perhaps she deserves a little more time than the 8 months she's been given before people sneer at frankly ludicrous reasons.

Noted Simster

 

[jcdenton08]

Stolen from Reddit. Call Cliff Thorburn now, please.

 

[abc]

My thoughts exactly. Reeves is getting slaughtered over a triviality. It is ridiculous, but at least the right wing bias in the media is laid bare.

I have to say I have developed nothing but contempt for Reeves as a chancellor and an utterly inept so called economist. However, judge her on her performance in government. This story is not only irrelevant but it’s pettiness is one reason why competent people will never choose to become politicians

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

This article suggests that Gen Z are becoming increasingly right wing and a not so I significant amount would prefer we do away with democratic institutions.

Gen Z yearning for fascism? It's grim — but I'm not surprised

It may sound shocking that half of Britain’s young people want authoritarian rule, but there’s a social theory that explains it

www.standard.co.uk

No surprise when all we have to vote for every five years is red ****s or blue ****s.

 

[Mustafa II]

I predict Starmer will be known as one of the greatest leaders of this country in modern times. Possibly of all time.

The right-wing media is absolutely firing at him from every angle - and the moronic public are buying into it.

Yet he remains focused on his goals, the really important goals, that the country needs. The economy, house building, illegal immigration and the NHS... and he is delivering, already.

Considering becoming a Labour member again. Never thought I'd say that.

 

[Simster]

I have to say I have developed nothing but contempt for Reeves as a chancellor and an utterly inept so called economist. However, judge her on her performance in government. This story is not only irrelevant but it’s pettiness is one reason why competent people will never choose to become politicians

I agree with most of that, except of course I don't share your contempt for Reeves. Out of interest, how would you have raised money if you were her? I don't see she had much choice. The WFA withdrawal was a shockingly misconceived plan though, no excuses there.

 

[Chicken Run]

I predict Starmer will be known as one of the greatest leaders of this country in modern times. Possibly of all time.

The right-wing media is absolutely firing at him from every angle - and the moronic public are buying into it.

Yet he remains focused on his goals, the really important goals, that the country needs. The economy, house building, illegal immigration and the NHS... and he is delivering, already.

Considering becoming a Labour member again. Never thought I'd say that.

Out of interest, what benefits do you get from joining a political party?

 

[Mustafa II]

Out of interest, what benefits do you get from joining a political party?

You contribute to the funding of the party, and you get to vote on internal issues/policies.

You could also take it further and be more active within the party, but the above is all I am interested in.

 

[abc]

I agree with most of that, except of course I don't share your contempt for Reeves. Out of interest, how would you have raised money if you were her? I don't see she had much choice. The WFA withdrawal was a shockingly misconceived plan though, no excuses there.

If her only objective was to raise money then the budget works. However, her stated aim (rightly) is to also create growth. Almost every measure is anti growth.

Labour have already torn up their manifesto and many would say ‘fair enough as the priority was to get elected’. They have used the (allegedly) unexpected black hole mantra as the excuse to make the ‘hard choices’ even if they were not in the manifesto. Labour promised no NI increases on ‘working people’ and they have done exactly that. So why not ignore the promises made that economically boxed themselves in?

Thus Reeves could have raised money without negatively impacting growth. Ie raising taxes AFTER profits are made not before through income tax and corporation tax. No tax increases are popular but these would not prevent growth, reduce employment or destroy charities that exist to support the most vulnerable in our society