[Politics] The Johnson gambit

[The Clamp]

2 x 'of' , if you like.

Remove the last one, you done good.

Mea culpa

 

[Deleted member 2719]

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You've assumed and generalised far more than I have. My dad was raised in a three room (that's ROOM not BEDROOM) council flat in Kings Cross and did ok for himself with hard work and sacrifice from his parents. I've done the same. For that reason, economically, I believe in hard work and meritocracy and certainly not in socialism.

However, I do not believe in the way the nasty party thinks of nothing but itself and is still run by the establishment with the help of useful idiots. I'm a social liberal and anti-racist who thinks our current Prime Minister is one of the most selfish, lying hypocrites ever to have walked the planet.

Hope that clears it up for you.

So we have lots in common really, apart from I have no problem with the establishment or Etonians, even though we maybe poles apart.
I do know quite a few and all of them are decent people. I always feel the green eyed monsters tend to raise their head on this subject.What colour are your eyes?

Just point us to where you read it.

I have known this quote for donkey year's, why are you worried where I saw it?

 

[The Clamp]

So we have lots in common really, apart from I have no problem with the establishment or Etonians, even though we maybe poles apart.
I do know quite a few and all of them are decent people. I always feel the green eyed monsters tend to raise their head on this subject.What colour are your eyes?




I have known this quote for donkey year's, why are you worried where I saw it?

You have so widely missed the point of people's ire over this government's behaviour that I feel embarrassed for you.

 

[clapham_gull]

I have known this quote for donkey year's, why are you worried where I saw it?

Because thousands of made up quotes by Einstein are used to lazily back up arguments.

It should be relatively easy for you to google it and find either the work it was published in or the speech that it was made.

 

[clapham_gull]

So we have lots in common really, apart from I have no problem with the establishment or Etonians.

You know your place.

 

[zefarelly]

I don't think the people who dressed up in SS uniform were any more Nazi sympathisers than the many vampires who also regularly turned up were genuinely interested in drinking the blood of virgins. Gangster costumes were also common (especially in the wake of Bonny and Clyde being a box office hit) but I don't think any of them went around machine gunning people - it was just a fancy dress costume, not a signal of support or approval!

Well, I won't apologise for thinking this is either utter horseshit or you were brought up with a lot of 70's 'comedy' on TV . . . I have a load of photo's my dad took at a FDP in 1976 . . . All sorts, nothing close to this. . . . Just imaginative innocent fun ( my dad was photographer and a golden fairy . . .as a rugby player it was quite a sight )

3 of the FD party goers were dressed in whites covered in blood . . . They were just the path lab team from Worthing Hospital.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You have so widely missed the point of people's ire over this government' behaviour that I feel embarrassed for you.

Thats nice, I knew you had a kind heart amonst that deep seated anger towards the blue army.

I am not condoning their action at all.

But if we take in the whole picture in a logical way. There were parties, weddings of hundreds of people going on, these were blatantly breaking the law, but protected by the media because of their culture. None of those people involved in the raves or weddings, were working long hours to help the country. They were doing it as pure recreational purposes.

I would back anybody trying to do good in those terrible times who wanted a quick beer, ie nurses, doctors, MPs etc, although Id prefer everyone was 2m apart and didn't take the risks.
But let's be honest 100,000s were not sticking to lockdown rules.

I did, did you clamp

 

[The Clamp]

Thats nice, I knew you had a kind heart amonst that deep seated anger towards the blue army.

I am not condoning their action at all.

But if we take in the whole picture in a logical way. There were parties, weddings of hundreds of people going on, these were blatantly breaking the law, but protected by the media because of their culture. None of those people involved in the raves or weddings, were working long hours to help the country. They were doing it as pure recreational purposes.

I would back anybody trying to do good in those terrible times who wanted a quick beer, ie nurses, doctors, MPs etc, although Id prefer everyone was 2m apart and didn't take the risks.
But let's be honest 100,000s were not sticking to lockdown rules.

I did, did you clamp

I work in social care and safeguarding so I had no choice but to stick to the rules. Even when they were relaxed for most people, we had to stick to rules as if we were vulnerable people because we work in a high risk environment with I.V drug users etc. So even when most people were heading back to pub and gyms and each other's houses, we were still coming home, washing all our clothes immediately and not mixing with anyone outside of work. It was a lonely year.

Thousands probably weren't sticking to the rules but I would have hoped the leader of Britain, who implemented the rules would have had the integrity to do so. And any other leader would have.

I have nothing against "the blue army", I have voted conservative before and would like to do so again. But not this bunch of criminals.

 

[GT49er]

Well, I won't apologise for thinking this is either utter horseshit or you were brought up with a lot of 70's 'comedy' on TV . . . I have a load of photo's my dad took at a FDP in 1976 . . . All sorts, nothing close to this. . . . Just imaginative innocent fun ( my dad was photographer and a golden fairy . . .as a rugby player it was quite a sight )

3 of the FD party goers were dressed in whites covered in blood . . . They were just the path lab team from Worthing Hospital.

Of course it's not horse-shit - geez!

It's a first hand eye-witness account from someone who was there at the time. And yes, in the 70s there was 70s comedy on the TV, and we all watched it. I expect in 50 years time (if you're still around) sime young tosser will delight in telling you what a **** you are for having watched some of the offensive (in the mindset of said young tosser in fifty years time) TV that went out in the 2010s and 2020s - and they'll robably have a go at telling you that what you have seen and done in 2022 couldn't have happened, because it isn't acceptable to them.

Now, seriously, have you never see anybody dressed up as a vampire? - you must have lived a very sheltered life if you haven't! Vampires are not nice things you know - they kill people, or turn them into vampires like themselves. All those kids dressing up as vampires ...... must be f*****g sick, eh.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[Seagull27]

Thats nice, I knew you had a kind heart amonst that deep seated anger towards the blue army.

I am not condoning their action at all.

But if we take in the whole picture in a logical way. There were parties, weddings of hundreds of people going on, these were blatantly breaking the law, but protected by the media because of their culture. None of those people involved in the raves or weddings, were working long hours to help the country. They were doing it as pure recreational purposes.

I would back anybody trying to do good in those terrible times who wanted a quick beer, ie nurses, doctors, MPs etc, although Id prefer everyone was 2m apart and didn't take the risks.
But let's be honest 100,000s were not sticking to lockdown rules.

I did, did you clamp

I think you are missing the point. Firstly, it's a bit different if you break the rules when you were the people who made them. How can you expect people to follow other rules that you set, if they think you might break those too?

Secondly - more importantly - was the fact that he said that he did not break the rules, in parliament. He lied to parliament, and that is a resignation matter in the ministerial code.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I work in social care and safeguarding so I had no choice but to stick to the rules. Even when they were relaxed for most people, we had to stick to rules as if we were vulnerable people because we work in a high risk environment with I.V drug users etc. So even when most people were heading back to pub and gyms and each other's houses, we were still coming home, washing all our clothes immediately and not mixing with anyone outside of work. It was a lonely year.

Thousands probably weren't sticking to the rules but I would have hoped the leader of Britain, who implemented the rules would have had the integrity to do so. And any other leader would have.

I have nothing against "the blue army", I have voted conservative before and would like to do so again. But not this bunch of criminals.

I totally empathise with your lonely year, I too suffered this, as a self-confessed germaphobe.
Covid was a very uncomfortable place for me, but in some way has desensitised me on lesser germs now.
Slightly off topic, I saw a traveller texting on his mobile phone while driving his pony and trap towards Selsey today.

People break the law everyday, the world is full of criminals, being a traveller he will get away with it if caught, being an MP he would be in the news for 4 months.
Life isn't balanced and the hateful journos will keep driving their agendas.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thats nice, I knew you had a kind heart amonst that deep seated anger towards the blue army.

I am not condoning their action at all.

But if we take in the whole picture in a logical way. There were parties, weddings of hundreds of people going on, these were blatantly breaking the law, but protected by the media because of their culture. None of those people involved in the raves or weddings, were working long hours to help the country. They were doing it as pure recreational purposes.

I would back anybody trying to do good in those terrible times who wanted a quick beer, ie nurses, doctors, MPs etc, although Id prefer everyone was 2m apart and didn't take the risks.
But let's be honest 100,000s were not sticking to lockdown rules.

I did, did you clamp

You've been listening to Worsel Gummidge ie Fabricant. Nurses and doctors are not allowed to drink on premises, there are no restrooms and they were too tired to go to a pub after their 12 or 16 hours shifts.

The Royal College of Nursing has asked him for an apology

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[Deleted member 2719]

I think you are missing the point. Firstly, it's a bit different if you break the rules when you were the people who made them. How can you expect people to follow other rules that you set, if they think you might break those too?

Secondly - more importantly - was the fact that he said that he did not break the rules, in parliament. He lied to parliament, and that is a resignation matter in the ministerial code.

I think at worse he felt he flexed the rules.
They did not have Tony Blackburn spinning the discs, while Rishi was doing a moonwalk and Boris was doing his Peter Crouch robotics.

Like I said I am not condoning it at all.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You've been listening to Worsel Gummidge ie Fabricant. Nurses and doctors are not allowed to drink on premises, there are no restrooms and they were too tired to go to a pub after their 12 or 16 hours shifts.

The Royal College of Nursing has asked him for an apology

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Some were having house parties. Like I say I don't condone it, but it was a release from their work.

 

[clapham_gull]

You've been listening to Worsel Gummidge ie Fabricant. Nurses and doctors are not allowed to drink on premises, there are no restrooms and they were too tired to go to a pub after their 12 or 16 hours shifts.

The Royal College of Nursing has asked him for an apology

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It's a bizarre comment. I've spent over 5 weeks in a major London hospital every single day and I'll be back tomorrow.

Won't go into the circumstances but I'm effectively working a full day in there (in public areas) whilst intermittently visiting another.

It's easier that way.

Out of my own mental necessity, I've probably walked round the place ten times. I know exactly what the nurses and doctors do on their break and where they go

I'm usually sitting next to them. There is no alcohol on premises and nowhere to drink it.

Even the in-house M & S is banned from selling it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Some were having house parties. Like I say I don't condone it, but it was a release from their work.

NHS workers were dying, wearing bin bags for protection and you accuse them of having house parties?

I know you like a wind up but that isn’t funny. Over 800 died in the first few months.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think at worse he felt he flexed the rules.
They did not have Tony Blackburn spinning the discs, while Rishi was doing a moonwalk and Boris was doing his Peter Crouch robotics.

Like I said I am not condoning it at all.

Laws. They were laws passed in Parliament. Rules are for school like don’t run in the corridor.
Laws get charged by the police when broken. Johnson admitted his guilt by paying his fine. If he was innocent, he could have contested it in a magistrates court.

 

[clapham_gull]

Some were having house parties. Like I say I don't condone it, but it was a release from their work.

Having spoken to someone recently whose son works in the centre of Government, I can assure you that trying to draw parallels with what was going on and a moronic comment about nurses is weapons grade bullshit.

According to them (a Tory voter) it was worse than we have been led to believe so far. Boris would be out the door by now, but the process was frozen because everything is waiting to see whether they are in the report.

There is a drinking culture in Westminster and drinking in the office is still normalised there..

I'd imagine cocaine usage isn't uncommon either, 'cos I've been there.

Most other industries (including mine) and me got over it a decade ago. We grew up.

I would routinely do a couple of pints at lunchtime on a number of days, but knew a bloke who did six over a couple of hours in the middle of the day every day.

I lost count of the cheap champagne breakfasts when somebody did something silly like have a birthday.

Spliffs out the back at lunchtime, beers on the desk in the afternoon. Completely normal.

This wasn't a "release from their work", this is finding an excuse to bring alcohol into work. That mindset doesn't allow something silly like a pandemic stop you getting shitfaced.

That's the nuance you have clearly missed or never experienced.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Spelling is not linked to IQ.

What have you got against working class tories?

The real question, is what have thick working class tories, got against working class tories - that possesses them to continually vote against their interests?