The Jeremy Corbyn thread

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[KingstonSeagull]

Yes, well, firstly, if the bankers the bonuses the bankers the bonuses the bankers the bonuses it’s disgusting…and secondly, if the Tories were really serious about it they’d tax the bankers the bonuses the bankers the bonuses at 90 per cent.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Fair enough. Any other Tories going to speak up for the most transparently elitist and self-serving policy proposal since their last headline policy about inheritance tax?

Assuming not, can we move on to inheritance tax?

Please can someone explain to me how it can possibly be socially just for so much wealth to be stored and passed down family lines? Especially when the vast majority of that wealth is unearned and exists only as a result of privilege and house price inflation?

I will speak up for the idea of trying something different to the current system which is patently failing to keep the young people of the UK up with those of other nations like China etc.. where education is far more highly valued by both parents and pupils. It does not have to be just like years ago with talk of success and failure being exclusive to themselves, but hey, lets do nothing instead cos thats the Labour way.

As for the inheritance tax bit, especially concerning house prices, the policy of envy yet again? Speaks volumes.

 

[glasfryn]

No faux outrage, Moshe.
For what it is worth, I am not convinced that opening more Grammar Schools is the way forward.

P.S.I do not object to colourful language, I just happen to believe that calling Mrs. May an evil witch because you don't agree with her politics is a bit gitty.

pity a lot in her own party do not agree
another U turn in the making
bring back david I say ..........................................oh no hang on a minute

 

[Buzzer]

His a segment from the link you gave me. Again, Foot was the compromise left candidate to unite the party. He was not the left wing candidate. Tony Benn was.

That is why Labour lost at the time because it was unsure of its direction to go in. A bit like with this election.

You have misread the article. Foot may have been a compromise candidate in terms of personalities but he was an out and out left winger and crucially was very prominent in CND which handed the 80s on a plate to the Tories.

What Neville's Breakfast said. Foot was born into a family of West Country non-conformists and although an atheist, was heavily influenced by the Quaker and Methodist movements which have always had very solid left-wing traditions (Harold Wilson said that British socialism owed more to Methodism than Marx). He was an ideological socialist from the left of the party and if he were alive today then I suspect he'd be backing Corbyn.

 

[vegster]

Same old Labour, politics born of jealousy.

Hilarious, show the Tory hypocrisy up and it's jealousy. We always hear the same old stuff about equality, hope for all and a fairer society for those who work hard,in reality most are consigned to dead end low pay jobs just subsisting. How come it never gets any fairer under the Tories then ?

 

[Buzzer]

Hilarious, show the Tory hypocrisy up and it's jealousy. We always hear the same old stuff about equality, hope for all and a fairer society for those who work hard,in reality most are consigned to dead end low pay jobs just subsisting. How come it never gets any fairer under the Tories then ?

But it has gotten better in places. Under Tory and then Blairite governments the lowest income earners in the UK saw their incomes rise greater than any other major economy.

I'm not saying it's all rosy by any means, the rise of zero hour contracts and the attack on disability benefits are just two things that the Tories should bloody well be ashamed about but it's simply not true to say that nothing has been done to improve the lot of the poorest.

 

[vegster]

But it has gotten better in places. Under Tory and then Blairite governments the lowest income earners in the UK saw their incomes rise greater than any other major economy.

I'm not saying it's all rosy by any means, the rise of zero hour contracts and the attack on disability benefits are just two things that the Tories should bloody well be ashamed about but it's simply not true to say that nothing has been done to improve the lot of the poorest.

Well I genuinely feel that the lot of most people has got considerably worse than 20 years ago, there are fewer half decent jobs, our roads and infrastructure are crumbling and housing and rental costs spiralling well beyond many wage earners ability to pay. Big companies soak up huge profits which are then spirited out of the country and the feeling is that we all have to work harder and harder just to keep our jobs

. I was just looking today at jobs and there is a huge polarity in opportunities, lots in the £7-£8 an hour range and then a step up to £30K + for Project managers, HR managers and the like. For me I'm looking at cleaning aircraft at Gatwick for £7.50 and hour or working for Sainsbury's for the same. There is huge money being made somewhere but not by many.

 

[Titanic]

http://order-order.com/2016/09/16/undercover-momentum-expose-coming/

...Dispatches[FONT=&quot] have had an undercover journalist infiltrate Momentum for several months over the summer. The programme is coming out on Monday and is expected to be trailed heavily in the Sunday papers. [/FONT]Some top Corbynistas will be spending the next 24 hours sweating about what they’ve said on camera…

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Two separate issues. I agree with you about Grammar schools (and probably a range of other issues). I was making a point about the language of insult as legitimized by Donald Trump and elements in the Labour Party.

David Cameron regularly deployed 'the language of insult' at PMQs - usually to change the subject so that people wouldn't notice that he hadn't answered the question.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

David Cameron regularly deployed 'the language of insult' at PMQs - usually to change the subject so that people wouldn't notice that he hadn't answered the question.

Absolutely, doesn't make it right though.
If I could make the same point to DC then I most certainly would.
JC Makes much the same points regarding having civilized debate. It's just a pity he takes an Arsene Wenger 'see no evil, hear no evil' approach over the unsavory behavior of his followers.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well I genuinely feel that the lot of most people has got considerably worse than 20 years ago, there are fewer half decent jobs, our roads and infrastructure are crumbling and housing and rental costs spiralling well beyond many wage earners ability to pay. Big companies soak up huge profits which are then spirited out of the country and the feeling is that we all have to work harder and harder just to keep our jobs

. I was just looking today at jobs and there is a huge polarity in opportunities, lots in the £7-£8 an hour range and then a step up to £30K + for Project managers, HR managers and the like. For me I'm looking at cleaning aircraft at Gatwick for £7.50 and hour or working for Sainsbury's for the same. There is huge money being made somewhere but not by many.

The usual "it was better in the olden days". Nope, its better now

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The usual "it was better in the olden days". Nope, its better now

For some, yes. For most ? I'm not so sure. [MENTION=11928]vegster[/MENTION] makes valid points about the poor quality of jobs available. If you have been in the same job for a number of years you may not notice but try and make a career change and you will see the qualifications you will have to acquire (expensively) to secure jobs that are not even that well paid or especially skilled.

 

[vegster]

The usual "it was better in the olden days". Nope, its better now

Apparently we are the 5th biggest economy in the world yet we are still cutting back on so many things that I used to take for granted...We have less and less mental health care leading to the untrained Police having to " bang up " people with mental health issues..... oh but you hardly ever see a Policeman these days due to cuts. Food Banks are accepted as the norm ( we never had those in the old days despite many being poor ? ) Councils are having to prioritise what to cut, public toilets or social care budgets. Our rail services are crap, our roads are clogged and rutted, There are less buses if you live outside of big cities. House prices are almost unaffordable for our children. Teachers are regarded as reactionary left wing whingers for complaining about the hoops they have to jump through to improve education on dwindling budgets..... we have to bribe EDF and the Chinese to build a nuclear power station because we don't have the brains, expertise or cash to do it ourselves. However you can buy a nice flat here if you fancy it....http://www.primelocation.com/for-sale/property/brighton-marina-village/ best have a well paid job as if you were like the couple mentioned by Jeremy Corbyn at PMQ's, a couple working full time at Sainsbury's can get a mortgage of £70 K when the average house price is £210 K.....yes, much better now.

 

[Hastings gull]

Fair enough. Any other Tories going to speak up for the most transparently elitist and self-serving policy proposal since their last headline policy about inheritance tax?

Assuming not, can we move on to inheritance tax?

Please can someone explain to me how it can possibly be socially just for so much wealth to be stored and passed down family lines? Especially when the vast majority of that wealth is unearned and exists only as a result of privilege and house price inflation? People who work hard, earn money, create jobs etc should enjoy the fruits of their success while they are alive. They are also free to provide abundantly for their families while they are alive (and also apparently free to dodge most of their inheritance tax obligations on their death). In the current climate the more routine passing down family lines of property based wealth is increasingly going to be the biggest single barrier to social mobility.

Would a more progressive inheritance tax policy not be an obvious partial solution if we really are, as Theresa May asserted yesterday in the Commons, concerned about providing "equality of opportunity" for all...?

My parents and those of my wife began family life with very little in the early 50s. they worked hard and I can in all honesty say that we too have done so. We have benefitted from my parent's inheritance, as they wanted, and my daughter will from us on our demise, as we want. How on earth is that socially unjust? There is your explanation, and you know as well as I do, there will be millions like us. I assume that in your will, you will make provision for the State to inherit and not your children, as your money will be unearned() and due to house price inflation.

 

[Commander]

My parents and those of my wife began family life with very little in the early 50s. they worked hard and I can in all honesty say that we too have done so. We have benefitted from my parent's inheritance, as they wanted, and my daughter will from us on our demise, as we want. How on earth is that socially unjust? There is your explanation, and you know as well as I do, there will be millions like us. I assume that in your will, you will make provision for the State to inherit and not your children, as your money will be unearned() and due to house price inflation.

This. If I work hard all my life and want to leave a nest egg to my children so they can get on the property ladder, how is that a bad thing? Why shouldn't I be able to help my children? Why should someone who does nothing with their life be able to leave their kids in the same position as someone who does everything they can? Where is the motivation for growth and progression otherwise? I'd just spend all my money and not bother to work hard and move my way up the ladder if there was no point to, and then the economy would stagnate, surely?


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[vegster]

http://order-order.com/2016/09/16/undercover-momentum-expose-coming/

...Dispatches[FONT="] have had an undercover journalist infiltrate Momentum for several months over the summer. The programme is coming out on Monday and is expected to be trailed heavily in the Sunday papers. [/FONT]Some top Corbynistas will be spending the next 24 hours sweating about what they’ve said on camera…

Probably no worse than Angela Leadsome's quote about how she foresaw a time when things like maternity pay were abolished.

 

[vegster]

This. If I work hard all my life and want to leave a nest egg to my children so they can get on the property ladder, how is that a bad thing? Why shouldn't I be able to help my children? Why should someone who does nothing with their life be able to leave their kids in the same position as someone who does everything they can? Where is the motivation for growth and progression otherwise? I'd just spend all my money and not bother to work hard and move my way up the ladder if there was no point to, and then the economy would stagnate, surely?


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Fair do's for people like yourself but.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/inhe...how-the-dukes-of-westminster-avoid-it-on-the/

 

[Commander]

Fair do's for people like yourself but.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/inhe...how-the-dukes-of-westminster-avoid-it-on-the/

OK but surely that sort of person is hugely in the minority in the grand scheme of things? There are no perfect systems.


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[NooBHA]

http://order-order.com/2016/09/16/undercover-momentum-expose-coming/

...Dispatches[FONT="] have had an undercover journalist infiltrate Momentum for several months over the summer. The programme is coming out on Monday and is expected to be trailed heavily in the Sunday papers. [/FONT]Some top Corbynistas will be spending the next 24 hours sweating about what they’ve said on camera…

Ahaaaaaaaa................................................................... What we in the UK used to condemn the Stasi and such organisations for is now all of a sudden ''intriguing'' , ''fair game'' ''acceptable'' just because it happens in the UK.

I suppose that's life these days and I could well have been questioned about Jeremy Corbyn in recent months and despite the headline here - if it ''makes the cut'' my sweat glands will not spill a drop by virtue of the opinions I gave