The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

If you want a foretaste then I'd recommend BBC iPlayer and watching PMQs from today.

Theresa May's pathetic attempt at a flagship policy on grammar schools was blown out of the water by Jeremy Corbyn. Relying on intelligent analysis of the available evidence, in order to determine the best interests of the many in our country and not the privileged minority, he was able to slaughter May and expose her for the dull old Tory that she is. More of the same please!

I personally don't believe that the reintroduction of Grammar Schools are the way forward, I'd rather have education that targets all kids and what they are good at - meaning at 14 there would be a split between academia and vocational but May did make one very valid point that Corbyn, Grammar School educated, now wants to deprive others of the same opportunity.

As for more of the same, with Corbyn in charge, its a long way back for Labour.

As a political centerist, I feel we perhaps need a revamped Lib Dems to merge with a 'New Labour' split of MPs. Otherwise it's the wilderness for Labour for many many years,

 

[Hastings gull]

If you want a foretaste then I'd recommend BBC iPlayer and watching PMQs from today.

Theresa May's pathetic attempt at a flagship policy on grammar schools was blown out of the water by Jeremy Corbyn. Relying on intelligent analysis of the available evidence, in order to determine the best interests of the many in our country and not the privileged minority, he was able to slaughter May and expose her for the dull old Tory that she is. More of the same please!

But given that the hypocrite and some of his cronies all went to grammar schools, he is one of the privileged minority! Usual preference of socialism for everybody else's children.

 

[Hampster Gull]

If you want a foretaste then I'd recommend BBC iPlayer and watching PMQs from today.

Theresa May's pathetic attempt at a flagship policy on grammar schools was blown out of the water by Jeremy Corbyn. Relying on intelligent analysis of the available evidence, in order to determine the best interests of the many in our country and not the privileged minority, he was able to slaughter May and expose her for the dull old Tory that she is. More of the same please!

that is really funny

 

[Hastings gull]

Like a heavyweight champion boxer he can only beat who is put in front of him.

On today's evidence at PMQs he still needs to find tougher opponents.

I'm sure it has been said elsewhere but the full extent of the disaster that is this country sleepwalking into Brexit combined with extended years of self-serving Tory government cannot be overestimated.

What other sweeping and exaggerated comment can you fit in, I wonder?

 

[Hastings gull]

I personally don't believe that the reintroduction of Grammar Schools are the way forward, I'd rather have education that targets all kids and what they are good at - meaning at 14 there would be a split between academia and vocational but May did make one very valid point that Corbyn, Grammar School educated, now wants to deprive others of the same opportunity.

As for more of the same, with Corbyn in charge, its a long way back for Labour.

As a political centerist, I feel we perhaps need a revamped Lib Dems to merge with a 'New Labour' split of MPs. Otherwise it's the wilderness for Labour for many many years,

I think this is rather contradictory -that is the whole point of the grammar school in that it targets academic ability. What is then needed, instead of pretending that all children are the same, is then properly funded other schools which did not place so much emphasis on academic studies, but instead offer e.g. a plethora of apprenticeships, in conjunction with industry, and which would target children whose aptitudes veer towards vocational studies. The old secondary modern schools tended to be viewed as second class institutions, not always fairly, I might add, and this must be avoided, if more grammars are to be introduced.

 

[1066gull]

Haven't been here for a while but in response to Michael Foot losing seats where "there was big crowds" for Benn, Foot was the one who was the leader of the Labour Party and Foot was not the left wing candidate, he was the centrist. Benn was the left wing candidate. Now the reason Labour lost is because they did not appeal to offer anything radical or different. And that is the problem we have today with Smith. If Owen was to win this leadership election, he is the central candidate over Jeremy and Labour would get eaten alive and beaten badly by the Tories. Only Jeremy Corbyn can persuade the huge membership we now have to get out and encourage at least one person we know to join the party, and than to get 10 people we know to vote LABOUR at the General Election. All this talk that Labour is "unelecatable" under Corbyn and comparing him to Foot is ludicrous. It would be fairer to compare Corbyn to Attlee who also had it tough persuading his own party he would win a GE in 1945. Also Wilson is another example. Both these two were proper left wing candidates who became PM and done great things. In fact I think the Labour actvists who campaigned under Harold Wilson had it tougher than us cos back in the 70s racism was rife, there were signs in almost every other window saying No Blacks, No Irish and No to Homosexuals. Labour won. Because the membership got out the message. We will do the same under Corbyn.

 

[GT49er]

Haven't been here for a while but in response to Michael Foot losing seats where "there was big crowds" for Benn, Foot was the one who was the leader of the Labour Party and Foot was not the left wing candidate, he was the centrist.

Foot, centrist? Wow! I thought I'd stumbled into the non-fact fest of the EU debate for a minute!

Dear old Footie was an out and out leftie (admittedly of the more likeable sort). He would be turning in his grave if he thought someone was describing him as centrist - it would be an insult of the highest order!

 

[1066gull]

Foot, centrist? Wow! I thought I'd stumbled into the non-fact fest of the EU debate for a minute!

Dear old Footie was an out and out leftie (admittedly of the more likeable sort). He would be turning in his grave if he thought someone was describing him as centrist - it would be an insult of the highest order!

Call Foot left wing is like believing the lies Owen Smith is a socialist. The two have never been left wing their entire political lives. Corbyn, like Tony Benn before him have always proudly been socialists by sticking up and fighting for us their entire careers.

Corbyn on the other hand has personally not lost a single election since the 70s, when he was elected as a Councillor for Haringay so I do laugh when people keep saying he is unelectable. The man has won more elections than the two challengers he has faced, combined

 

[GT49er]

Call Foot left wing is like believing the lies Owen Smith is a socialist.

Jesus wept! I've never read such rubbish - your 'facts' are just plain not facts. Learn a bit of history and stop spouting rubbish. I don't normally hold Wiki as the font of all wisdom, but it's accurate enough here, and I can't be bothered researching more sources of information for you.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Foot

As for Owen Smith, I know very little about him - which isn't important; I'd never heard of him until a few weeks ago, and in a little while will probably never hear of him again!

 

[1066gull]

Jesus wept! I've never read such rubbish - your 'facts' are just plain not facts. Learn a bit of history and stop spouting rubbish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Foot
!

His a segment from the link you gave me. Again, Foot was the compromise left candidate to unite the party. He was not the left wing candidate. Tony Benn was.

That is why Labour lost at the time because it was unsure of its direction to go in. A bit like with this election.

 

[BLOCK F]

Haven't been here for a while but in response to Michael Foot losing seats where "there was big crowds" for Benn, Foot was the one who was the leader of the Labour Party and Foot was not the left wing candidate, he was the centrist. Benn was the left wing candidate. Now the reason Labour lost is because they did not appeal to offer anything radical or different. And that is the problem we have today with Smith. If Owen was to win this leadership election, he is the central candidate over Jeremy and Labour would get eaten alive and beaten badly by the Tories. Only Jeremy Corbyn can persuade the huge membership we now have to get out and encourage at least one person we know to join the party, and than to get 10 people we know to vote LABOUR at the General Election. All this talk that Labour is "unelecatable" under Corbyn and comparing him to Foot is ludicrous. It would be fairer to compare Corbyn to Attlee who also had it tough persuading his own party he would win a GE in 1945. Also Wilson is another example. Both these two were proper left wing candidates who became PM and done great things. In fact I think the Labour actvists who campaigned under Harold Wilson had it tougher than us cos back in the 70s racism was rife, there were signs in almost every other window saying No Blacks, No Irish and No to Homosexuals. Labour won. Because the membership got out the message. We will do the same under Corbyn.

1066: it is because of deluded people like you, that the Labour Party under Corbyn will never win a General Election, thank heavens.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

His a segment from the link you gave me. Again, Foot was the compromise left candidate to unite the party. He was not the left wing candidate. Tony Benn was.

That is why Labour lost at the time because it was unsure of its direction to go in. A bit like with this election.

You have misread the article. Foot may have been a compromise candidate in terms of personalities but he was an out and out left winger and crucially was very prominent in CND which handed the 80s on a plate to the Tories.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

If you want a foretaste then I'd recommend BBC iPlayer and watching PMQs from today.

Theresa May's pathetic attempt at a flagship policy on grammar schools was blown out of the water by Jeremy Corbyn. Relying on intelligent analysis of the available evidence, in order to determine the best interests of the many in our country and not the privileged minority, he was able to slaughter May and expose her for the dull old Tory that she is. More of the same please!

To be serious for a moment. It just shows how low expectations are for someone so clearly out of his depth when a vaguely competent performance on an open goal issue is deemed newsworthy.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

To be serious for a moment. It just shows how low expectations are for someone so clearly out of his depth when a vaguely competent performance on an open goal issue is deemed newsworthy.

Seriously biased.

Me being serious for a moment. Having not really seen her in action I was horrified by our new Prime Minister. Obviously very old school Tory and to compound the matter she appears to be quite "thick".

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Me being serious for a moment. Having not really seen her in action I was horrified by our new Prime Minister. Obviously very old school Tory and to compound the matter she appears to be quite "thick".

Just checking out her biography to look for clues on the proud "grammar school girl" who believes in equality of opportunity.

This is the story of how the talented young Theresa managed to against the odds pull herself up the ladder...

Only child of educated and middle class parents. Village primary school in prosperous Oxfordshire.

Now the even better bit...

Brief spell of private schooling at St Juliana's Independent Convent School in order to prepare for the 11+ exam ....!!!!

You couldn't make it up.

If Theresa was serious about equality of opportunity and how to improve state schooling for all then she should go and spend a day in Kent talking to teachers. She would then be closing not opening grammar schools.

 

[alfredmizen]

Call Foot left wing is like believing the lies Owen Smith is a socialist. The two have never been left wing their entire political lives. Corbyn, like Tony Benn before him have always proudly been socialists by sticking up and fighting for us their entire careers.

Corbyn on the other hand has personally not lost a single election since the 70s, when he was elected as a Councillor for Haringay so I do laugh when people keep saying he is unelectable. The man has won more elections than the two challengers he has faced, combined

Youre deluded !!! Ive shagged his grandaughter by the way, just saying .................

EDIT


****Foots grandaughter,not smiths, or strictly speaking his step grandaughter, but he treated her as his grandaughter****

 

[wellquickwoody]

Just checking out her biography to look for clues on the proud "grammar school girl" who believes in equality of opportunity.

This is the story of how the talented young Theresa managed to against the odds pull herself up the ladder...

Only child of educated and middle class parents. Village primary school in prosperous Oxfordshire.

Now the even better bit...

Brief spell of private schooling at St Juliana's Independent Convent School in order to prepare for the 11+ exam ....!!!!

You couldn't make it up.

If Theresa was serious about equality of opportunity and how to improve state schooling for all then she should go and spend a day in Kent talking to teachers. She would then be closing not opening grammar schools.

Same old Labour, politics born of jealousy.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Same old Labour, politics born of jealousy.

Believe you me - I am not "jealous" of Theresa May in any way possible. I have enjoyed a very privileged life myself and I think she is a hideous parody of a human being.

A degree of jealousy on the part of the disadvantaged is human nature. But the real strength of "Labour politics" is that they are far more commonly born out of compassion and a sense of fairness.

Do you really think the politics of the people that have led the Labour Party through its history have been "born of jealousy". These people are highly intelligent and successful people who are often from advantaged backgrounds themselves (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Benn). Of whom are they meant to be "jealous"?

 

[alfredmizen]

Believe you me - I am not "jealous" of Theresa May in any way possible. I have enjoyed a very privileged life myself and I think she is a hideous parody of a human being.

A degree of jealousy on the part of the disadvantaged is human nature. But the real strength of "Labour politics" is that they are far more commonly born out of compassion and a sense of fairness.

Do you really think the politics of the people that have led the Labour Party through its history have been "born of jealousy". These people are highly intelligent and successful people who are often from advantaged backgrounds themselves (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Benn). Of whom are they meant to be "jealous"?

She's a politician who's policies you happen to disagree with, GROW UP!!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Seriously biased.

Me being serious for a moment. Having not really seen her in action I was horrified by our new Prime Minister. Obviously very old school Tory and to compound the matter she appears to be quite "thick".

PM May performed better in previous weeks although facing JC isn't usually much of a test so hard to tell how she would do against someone vaguely competent. Saying that I don't think she is best suited to the PMQ bear pit (over reliance on pre prepared lines) so might well struggle. Luckily for her she won't find out till after the next election ... or the one after that.