[Albion] The injustice against Liverpool

[Triggaaar]

I imagine this has been covered...

It seems that the mistake that cost Liverpool is far more newsworthy than the equally bad mistake that caused Estupinan's goal against Palace to be ruled out. Jamie 'spit on children' Carragher says this is the lowest point for VAR, oblivious to the appalling decisions we faced last year.

 

[A1X]

Weird how people only care about VAR errors when a big club is impacted by it

 

[Guinness Boy]

Weird how people only care about VAR errors when a big club is impacted by it

Even some regular posters on here.

 

[Wozza]

The transcript in full​

Assistant Referee 1: Waiting. Delaying, delaying.
VAR: Possible offside, Diaz.
Assistant Referee 2: Give it
Assistant Referee 1: Coming back for the offside, mate.
VAR: Just checking the offside. Delay, delay. Give the kick point, let’s go. Kick point please?
Referee: Yeah, no worries mate.
Replay Operator: So, here we are. Just get a tight angle.
VAR: Yeah, give me 2D line ready after this one for frame two after that.
Replay Operator: So frame two there?
VAR: Perfect, yeah. 2D line on the left boot.
Replay Operator: Let me just switch angles.
VAR: Romero, I think it is?
Replay Operator: I think it might be better with this angle. Happy with this angle?
VAR: Yep.
Replay Operator: 2D line on the boot?
VAR: 2D line on the boot.
Replay Operator: Yep, OK. So 2D line on the boot.
VAR: And stop. Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect.
Assistant Referee 1: Playing.
Referee: Cheers mate.
VAR: Thank you mate.
Referee: Well done boys, good process.
Replay Operator: Wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this?
VAR: Yeah…
Assistant VAR: Offside, goal, yeah.
Assistant VAR: That’s wrong, Daz.

VAR: What?
Replay Operator: On-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this image? Yeah it’s onside. The image that we gave them was onside.
VAR: Oh ****.
Replay Operator: Delay, delay. Oli [PGMOL Hub Ops] is saying to delay.
VAR: Pardon?
Replay Operator: Oli’s calling in to say delay the game. The decision is onside.
VAR: We can’t do anything.
Replay Operator: Oli’s saying to delay. Oli’s saying to delay.
VAR: Oli?
Fourth official: Yeah?
Replay Operator: Delay the game, delay the game. Stop the game.
VAR: They’ve restarted the game. Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah, they’ve restarted. Yeah.
VAR: Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah.
VAR: I can’t do anything, I can’t do anything.
VAR: *expletive*

 

[KZNSeagull]

The transcript in full​

Assistant Referee 1: Waiting. Delaying, delaying.
VAR: Possible offside, Diaz.
Assistant Referee 2: Give it
Assistant Referee 1: Coming back for the offside, mate.
VAR: Just checking the offside. Delay, delay. Give the kick point, let’s go. Kick point please?
Referee: Yeah, no worries mate.
Replay Operator: So, here we are. Just get a tight angle.
VAR: Yeah, give me 2D line ready after this one for frame two after that.
Replay Operator: So frame two there?
VAR: Perfect, yeah. 2D line on the left boot.
Replay Operator: Let me just switch angles.
VAR: Romero, I think it is?
Replay Operator: I think it might be better with this angle. Happy with this angle?
VAR: Yep.
Replay Operator: 2D line on the boot?
VAR: 2D line on the boot.
Replay Operator: Yep, OK. So 2D line on the boot.
VAR: And stop. Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect.
Assistant Referee 1: Playing.
Referee: Cheers mate.
VAR: Thank you mate.
Referee: Well done boys, good process.
Replay Operator: Wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this?
VAR: Yeah…
Assistant VAR: Offside, goal, yeah.
Assistant VAR: That’s wrong, Daz.

VAR: What?
Replay Operator: On-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this image? Yeah it’s onside. The image that we gave them was onside.
VAR: Oh ****.
Replay Operator: Delay, delay. Oli [PGMOL Hub Ops] is saying to delay.
VAR: Pardon?
Replay Operator: Oli’s calling in to say delay the game. The decision is onside.
VAR: We can’t do anything.
Replay Operator: Oli’s saying to delay. Oli’s saying to delay.
VAR: Oli?
Fourth official: Yeah?
Replay Operator: Delay the game, delay the game. Stop the game.
VAR: They’ve restarted the game. Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah, they’ve restarted. Yeah.
VAR: Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah.
VAR: I can’t do anything, I can’t do anything.
VAR: *expletive*

Farce. Sack them all.

 

[dazzer6666]

The transcript in full​

Assistant Referee 1: Waiting. Delaying, delaying.
VAR: Possible offside, Diaz.
Assistant Referee 2: Give it
Assistant Referee 1: Coming back for the offside, mate.
VAR: Just checking the offside. Delay, delay. Give the kick point, let’s go. Kick point please?
Referee: Yeah, no worries mate.
Replay Operator: So, here we are. Just get a tight angle.
VAR: Yeah, give me 2D line ready after this one for frame two after that.
Replay Operator: So frame two there?
VAR: Perfect, yeah. 2D line on the left boot.
Replay Operator: Let me just switch angles.
VAR: Romero, I think it is?
Replay Operator: I think it might be better with this angle. Happy with this angle?
VAR: Yep.
Replay Operator: 2D line on the boot?
VAR: 2D line on the boot.
Replay Operator: Yep, OK. So 2D line on the boot.
VAR: And stop. Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect.
Assistant Referee 1: Playing.
Referee: Cheers mate.
VAR: Thank you mate.
Referee: Well done boys, good process.
Replay Operator: Wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this?
VAR: Yeah…
Assistant VAR: Offside, goal, yeah.
Assistant VAR: That’s wrong, Daz.

VAR: What?
Replay Operator: On-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this image? Yeah it’s onside. The image that we gave them was onside.
VAR: Oh ****.
Replay Operator: Delay, delay. Oli [PGMOL Hub Ops] is saying to delay.
VAR: Pardon?
Replay Operator: Oli’s calling in to say delay the game. The decision is onside.
VAR: We can’t do anything.
Replay Operator: Oli’s saying to delay. Oli’s saying to delay.
VAR: Oli?
Fourth official: Yeah?
Replay Operator: Delay the game, delay the game. Stop the game.
VAR: They’ve restarted the game. Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah, they’ve restarted. Yeah.
VAR: Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah.
VAR: I can’t do anything, I can’t do anything.
VAR: *expletive*

Staggering they don’t have ‘clear and obvious’ protocols. What a mess.

 

[Wozza]

The person who spotted the error was the replay operator - literally the only guy involved without 'referee' in his job title.

 

[Pondicherry]

I think this line is key 'Offside, goal, yeah'. I suspect its actually 'Offside goal, yeah'. I suspect somehow despite the image he interpreted that as offside due to temporary brain fade.

 

[KZNSeagull]

No wonder they don't want audio relayed to the fans live. That's pathetic.

 

[Wozza]

No wonder they don't want audio relayed to the fans live. That's pathetic.

Saw it described as an "Xbox chat room".

Not exactly air traffic control, that's for sure...

 

[upthealbion1970]

Boo hoo poor f***ing livarpool

They’ve had more dodgy decisions go for them than against them

Got a few Brighton born Liverpool supporters among my customers, no doubt they’ll be bleating on some more tomorrow

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

So the only competent, switched on guy in a room full of referees is the non-ref working the replays? What a joke.

 

[kevo]

The person who spotted the error was the replay operator - literally the only guy involved without 'referee' in his job title.

I know it's a cliche, but really you couldn't make it up.

Would love to hear the audio of Perv's disallowed goal v Palace when they drew the line in the wrong place and the various other decisions against us last season (the FIVE at Spurs and the Digne foul on March at the home Villa game - the clearest pen you will ever see).

 

[Wozza]

Boo hoo poor f***ing livarpool

They’ve had more dodgy decisions go for them than against them

Got a few Brighton born Liverpool supporters among my customers, no doubt they’ll be bleating on some more tomorrow

Relax, they're not going to get the result changed.

If VAR is improved, we'll all be winners.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Clearly they were so desperate (perhaps rightly) to not slow down the game too much that as soon as an offside was clear they were trigger happy and just blurted "check complete". I can forgive that. I can see how it happened, however bonkers and frustrating it is and there are obvious flaws that has a simple fix. It's REALLY bad ...but I can rationalise it.

The truly mad aspect is that actually they noticed the error really soon after play resumed....AND then had a stop in play with a throw in....and STILL thought sticking to protocol (not calling the game back after it's restarted) was a better option than just openly ignoring a goal they knew was a goal.

Crazy.

 

[Titanic]

Ridiculous. They should have had the confidence to stop the game as soon as they knew. it was only a few seconds.

 

[Nitram]

The level of communication is truly pathetic. VAR just needs to say Diaz was onside or offside to the referee after the check.

 

[Krafty]

Referee: Well done boys, good process.

 

[Van Cleef]

The transcript in full​

Assistant Referee 1: Waiting. Delaying, delaying.
VAR: Possible offside, Diaz.
Assistant Referee 2: Give it
Assistant Referee 1: Coming back for the offside, mate.
VAR: Just checking the offside. Delay, delay. Give the kick point, let’s go. Kick point please?
Referee: Yeah, no worries mate.
Replay Operator: So, here we are. Just get a tight angle.
VAR: Yeah, give me 2D line ready after this one for frame two after that.
Replay Operator: So frame two there?
VAR: Perfect, yeah. 2D line on the left boot.
Replay Operator: Let me just switch angles.
VAR: Romero, I think it is?
Replay Operator: I think it might be better with this angle. Happy with this angle?
VAR: Yep.
Replay Operator: 2D line on the boot?
VAR: 2D line on the boot.
Replay Operator: Yep, OK. So 2D line on the boot.
VAR: And stop. Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect.
Assistant Referee 1: Playing.
Referee: Cheers mate.
VAR: Thank you mate.
Referee: Well done boys, good process.
Replay Operator: Wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this?
VAR: Yeah…
Assistant VAR: Offside, goal, yeah.
Assistant VAR: That’s wrong, Daz.

VAR: What?
Replay Operator: On-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this image? Yeah it’s onside. The image that we gave them was onside.
VAR: Oh ****.
Replay Operator: Delay, delay. Oli [PGMOL Hub Ops] is saying to delay.
VAR: Pardon?
Replay Operator: Oli’s calling in to say delay the game. The decision is onside.
VAR: We can’t do anything.
Replay Operator: Oli’s saying to delay. Oli’s saying to delay.
VAR: Oli?
Fourth official: Yeah?
Replay Operator: Delay the game, delay the game. Stop the game.
VAR: They’ve restarted the game. Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah, they’ve restarted. Yeah.
VAR: Can’t do anything.
Assistant VAR: Yeah.
VAR: I can’t do anything, I can’t do anything.
VAR: *expletive*

I watch a lot of rugby and the difference to football is night and day.

in rugby the referee remains in charge. He's advised by the video ref but his decision is final and he will often disagree with the video ref. Replays are freely played on the big screen in the stadium for everyone to see, including the ref. Everyone can hear what's being said. You might not agree with the decision but you can hear the reasoning behind it.

In football none of this applies.
I often wondered why they don't play the audio of the VAR officials for everyone to hear. What have they got to hide. Let's hear the professionals in action. Well, now we know why.
Listening to that audio was a real ear opener.

 

[AZ Gull]

...

The truly mad aspect is that actually they noticed the error really soon after play resumed....AND then had a stop in play with a throw in....and STILL thought sticking to protocol (not calling the game back after it's restarted) was a better option than just openly ignoring a goal they knew was a goal.

Crazy.

Ridiculous. They should have had the confidence to stop the game as soon as they knew. it was only a few seconds.

I completely disagree with your comments here. You can't compound one error (even if it is a f***ing huge error) by then completely ignoring the VAR protocols and going back and changing a decision even after play has re-started.

I think what this does show is that the whole VAR process is an absolute farce as it currently stands in this country. The concept of VAR is hugely flawed in that you are basically re-refereeing incidents and you've now lost "the referee's decision is final" concept. Just about the ONLY saving grace for VAR was that it could assist with matters of fact, ie was someone offside or not. However, there have now been multiple instances that have proven that VAR is not even competent to make judgements on those issues.

I think there is a case to be made for binning the whole shambles off until it can be implemented in a competent fashion.