Given the amount of money in the 'game' for each relative league position... I agree with ya.
[Albion] The injustice against Liverpool
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I genuinely feel sometimes that in Stockley they are paying less attention to the game than the average person at the match
Super Steve Earle
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Once again, a Big Six club decision overshadows two bad ref and VAR decisions against Brighton. And again, Attwell affects our match outcome.
But.....I love my football. I am in favour of VAR. I don't need instant gratification. I am relaxed about errors.
What I don't like is systematic avoidable system-dependent travesties. I'm not sure this is an accurate description of VAR (any more than the big club bias and the 'fact' that the referee and VAR will ensure things are 'fixed' for Liverpool at the weekend), but it is obvious VAR isn't working as well as it should.
In light of all that and everything, proposing that VAR be binned would simply be a sop to those who watch football as a mindless thrill, and are unconcerned about the result.
"We lost 1-0 to a falsely awarded penalty after having two goals of our own falsely disallowed, owing to errors by the ref and linos, as we all saw later on MOTD, but I wouldn't change any of it for the world because it was soooooo exciting"
Said nobody. Ever.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Don't be silly.
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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No point celebrating goals anymore. None
Until the opposition kick off.
Absolute farce!
fly high
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Lino & VAR make a mistake. We know it happens too often to us, who gives a shit except us, no one. Liverpool what way more then an apology. Resolution! What is that? Do they want the match replayed? Do they what the goal added so it's a draw? Apart form an apology what do they want? Yes it's about time basic mistakes like this are stopped. They can't argue they don't want to delay the match for too long but they took long enough to check our goal on Saturday & didn't care about that.
Weststander
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Well, Stuart Pearce just said on TS that two Villa goals shouldn’t have stood, clearly wrong. Steele’s sight blocked by an offside player and a clear foul in the build up to another.
Then unchallenged by Simon Jordan, a rarity, meaning he agrees.
Then unchallenged by Simon Jordan, a rarity, meaning he agrees.
oldboyroy
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It's LIVERPOOL, things will change. Brighton last season, it is what it is!
BBassic
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The clubs voted against implementing semi-automated offsides for this season.
How on earth did you manage to get away with posting this without a sanctimonious response from Neville's Breakfast?
BBassic
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Good.
It's good that people are paying attention. It's good for the entire league, for every club. I wouldn't give a shit if it was sodding Palace leading the charge for reform. It needs to happen.
Being pissy about how our poor decisions didn't spark enough outrage is...well, being pissy.
Nobby
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You’re right Harry.
And they’re still not saying it.
But what has actually changed for the better?
Marginal decisions are still marginal decisions
It would be really interesting to see how many really clear and obvious errors have been overturned against all these marginal toenails offside and stupid handballs that aren’t handballs and red cards that are never red cards.
My guess would be that the glaring errors that VAR was introduced to eliminate are very few and far between.
The rest are all grey and provide controversy.
And that brief and thrilling moment of excitement for the supporter who is watching live at the ground has been lost forever
Mess
keaton
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I understand what you're saying but who ever got back from a game and said "great game, the referee was tremendously accurate he spotted all the slight obstructions, a handball than no one appealed for and that deflected off the players foot and disallowed two goals for millimetre offsides "
GoingUp
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This is what you end up with then!
I don't recall any incorrect decisions with it, unlike the Prem League version.
BBassic
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Much as I support Liverpool's actions here, I am curious to know if they were one of the clubs who voted against it.
Weststander
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It was unanimous.
Plenty of injustices around that would need to be considered rather than just this one. The Villa one where the goal line technology wasn’t working for example.
Liverpool were definitely wronged here but they won’t be the first or the last. The key thing is to make sure the mistake doesn’t happen again, not to go round getting games replayed.
I was at the Liverpool Worthington Cup final in 2001 where a blatant penalty should have been given against Liverpool and wasn’t. Admittedly that was before VAR, but on the day it was pretty much accepted that these things happen. Not great, of course, but that’s the right approach. Let’s use this to improve the process, not to promote conspiracy theories or replaying of games.
Liverpool were definitely wronged here but they won’t be the first or the last. The key thing is to make sure the mistake doesn’t happen again, not to go round getting games replayed.
I was at the Liverpool Worthington Cup final in 2001 where a blatant penalty should have been given against Liverpool and wasn’t. Admittedly that was before VAR, but on the day it was pretty much accepted that these things happen. Not great, of course, but that’s the right approach. Let’s use this to improve the process, not to promote conspiracy theories or replaying of games.
VAR was always going to be shite, people warned it would be but it was ignored
Clear and obvious was the selling point, it's now used way too much.
Subjective calls are now being overruled
The Fits
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The way I see it is there's three major issues here:
1. English football has made some strange decisions about implementing VAR- IE not using semi automated offsides.
2. There's too much inconsistency from VAR and referees.
3. There's too much scrutiny during a game and afterwards. Not just the big decisions- every little action seems to be broken down and analysed, as if we are all desperate to find the smallest injustice or mistake.
VAR should be used for:
Goal line technology and the ball going out of play.
Offsides using the semi automated system.
Violent conduct and off the ball indiscretions.
And that's it.
Let's take this nonsense with handballs in the box. It's rubbish. It's totally subjective and it's totally inconsistent.
It should simply be the case that if the referee and lino miss it, so be it. Refs can still be scrutinised after the game- if it's a howler demote them. Put more responsibility back on the referees to actually ref the game rather than relying on VAR. Using this example- I'm sorry but it just isn't as important as whether an effort on goal actually goes over the line. You can slow down a replay as much as you want, use as many angles, change the rules - unnatural body position, ball to hand, meh - but the reality is that in real time it's often impossible to know. So just let these things go. It's obvious when it's an actual handball- where someone lifts their arm to clear a corner or uses their hands to 'save' a goal bound shot.
VAR has become like some dystopian vision of an AI computer that ends up destroying itself. It's cannibalising itself and ruining the game.
1. English football has made some strange decisions about implementing VAR- IE not using semi automated offsides.
2. There's too much inconsistency from VAR and referees.
3. There's too much scrutiny during a game and afterwards. Not just the big decisions- every little action seems to be broken down and analysed, as if we are all desperate to find the smallest injustice or mistake.
VAR should be used for:
Goal line technology and the ball going out of play.
Offsides using the semi automated system.
Violent conduct and off the ball indiscretions.
And that's it.
Let's take this nonsense with handballs in the box. It's rubbish. It's totally subjective and it's totally inconsistent.
It should simply be the case that if the referee and lino miss it, so be it. Refs can still be scrutinised after the game- if it's a howler demote them. Put more responsibility back on the referees to actually ref the game rather than relying on VAR. Using this example- I'm sorry but it just isn't as important as whether an effort on goal actually goes over the line. You can slow down a replay as much as you want, use as many angles, change the rules - unnatural body position, ball to hand, meh - but the reality is that in real time it's often impossible to know. So just let these things go. It's obvious when it's an actual handball- where someone lifts their arm to clear a corner or uses their hands to 'save' a goal bound shot.
VAR has become like some dystopian vision of an AI computer that ends up destroying itself. It's cannibalising itself and ruining the game.