[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Coldeanseagull]

Mate, the polls closed at ten

It's for future reference. Anyway, I've figured out in politics o take everything with a pinch of salt. We came out of Europe nine months ago....and that's still on going!

 

[nicko31]

David Lammy surprisingly upbeat on Radio 5 earlier. Says that we do not currently know which Boris we will get and he is certainly open to centrist policies as he showed in London.

Remainers should still be worried about No Deal

Leavers should still be worried about Brino

Lammy knows he will be considering which option is best for Boris, just like June 2016 all over again.

FTSE 250 at all time high pricing in no deal?

 

[Weststander]

NEW Opinium poll

The main reasons people did not vote Labour
— The leadership (43%)
— Brexit (17%)
— Their economic policies (12%)

(Research carried out Dec 13)

Time and time again Labour canvassers at doors, plus in TV interviews, voters said that they didn’t trust Corbyn and his mates over the economy, their over promises, anti semitism, and our national security.

 

[Weststander]

The backstabbing has started. McCluskey has twatted:

Corbyn refused to apologise several times on TV when asked about Labour’s failure to sort out its anti-Semitism problems, only finally expressing regret during the campaign when cornered by ITV’s This Morning.

“Labour made mistakes,” McCluskey said. “Firstly, the incontinent rush of policies which appeared to offer everything to everyone immediately, and thereby strained voter credulity as well as obscuring the party’s sense of priorities.

“Secondly, failure to apologise for anti-Semitism in the party when pressed to do so, capping years of mishandling of this question.”

But he stressed that it was “Labour’s slow-motion collapse into the arms of the People’s Vote movement and others who have never accepted the democratic decision of June 2016 for a single moment which has caused this defeat”.

In a swipe at the perceived London-centric, middle class focus of Corbyn’s Labour party, McCluskey said: “The next leader needs to understand the communities that gave birth to the labour movement, and realise that the whole country is not very like Labour London.

“As important as it is, too often, Labour addresses the metropolitan wing of its electoral coalition in terms of values – openness, tolerance, human rights – and the ‘traditional’ working-class wing simply in terms of a material offer, as if their constituencies did not have their own values of solidarity and community. That must change.”

 

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[GT49er]

The backstabbing has started. McCluskey has twatted:

Corbyn refused to apologise several times on TV when asked about Labour’s failure to sort out its anti-Semitism problems, only finally expressing regret during the campaign when cornered by ITV’s This Morning.

“Labour made mistakes,” McCluskey said. “Firstly, the incontinent rush of policies which appeared to offer everything to everyone immediately, and thereby strained voter credulity as well as obscuring the party’s sense of priorities.

“Secondly, failure to apologise for anti-Semitism in the party when pressed to do so, capping years of mishandling of this question.”

But he stressed that it was “Labour’s slow-motion collapse into the arms of the People’s Vote movement and others who have never accepted the democratic decision of June 2016 for a single moment which has caused this defeat”.

In a swipe at the perceived London-centric, middle class focus of Corbyn’s Labour party, McCluskey said: “The next leader needs to understand the communities that gave birth to the labour movement, and realise that the whole country is not very like Labour London.

“As important as it is, too often, Labour addresses the metropolitan wing of its electoral coalition in terms of values – openness, tolerance, human rights – and the ‘traditional’ working-class wing simply in terms of a material offer, as if their constituencies did not have their own values of solidarity and community. That must change.”

Sounds like sound common sense and telling it like it is to me. Not really back-stabbing at all.

 

[Hugo Rune]

fall in line there's a good chap or are you happy to pick off the rotting carcases of libralism and Marxism
Regards
DF

Maybe it’s you who should be falling in line as you seem to think liberalism has been dumped; Johnson can do what he likes now and he wants to be PM for decades and have a Tory London:

“When Boris Johnson told the cabinet this week that “I’m the most liberal Conservative PM in decades” he was half right. Mr Johnson is, as an individual, more of a metropolitan liberal than Theresa May, David Cameron, John Major or Margaret Thatcher.” The Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-more-liberal-than-conservative-x8cnvhclr

Johnson will throw you along with the hard right under the bus alongside Northern Ireland and the DUP quicker than you can say ‘leave means leave’!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Maybe it’s you who should be falling in line as you seem to think liberalism has been dumped; Johnson can do what he likes now and he wants to be PM for decades and have a Tory London:

“When Boris Johnson told the cabinet this week that “I’m the most liberal Conservative PM in decades” he was half right. Mr Johnson is, as an individual, more of a metropolitan liberal than Theresa May, David Cameron, John Major or Margaret Thatcher.” The Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-more-liberal-than-conservative-x8cnvhclr

Johnson will throw you along with the hard right under the bus alongside Northern Ireland and the DUP quicker than you can say ‘leave means leave’!

tell Jo swinson that
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ses-seat-Dunbartonshire-East-general-election
ya we won !!!
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...corbyn-shadow-chancellor-john-mcdonnell-hayes
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpbnBvlbPkA

deluded to the end
regards
DF

 

[BenGarfield]

Exactly. But getting rid of the fanatics will not be easy - latching on to the Labour Party is their only hope, as their hard left policies do not resonate with the electorate. How this ever happened after Militant in the 80s is really strange - perhaps it is just a case of another generation who had no experience of what went on before.

Because its not like the eighties and momentum is nothing like militant - perhaps? Momentum is but a small part of Labour and not particularly hard left either from what I can gather. They are not fanatics. This is bonkers - most left wingers are just ordinary workers who want a more decent and fairer society, and an ethical foreign policy.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Because its not like the eighties and momentum is nothing like militant - perhaps? Momentum is but a small part of Labour and not particularly hard left either from what I can gather. They are not fanatics. This is bonkers - most left wingers are just ordinary workers who want a more decent and fairer society, and an ethical foreign policy.

Momentum is nothing like militant - this is true - Momentum fluffled around on the fringes - Militant actually built a mass movement - first in Liverpool where it build thousands of homes and created thousands of jobs - and then against the poll tax. Momentum wouldn't even know where to start.

 

[beorhthelm]

Sounds like sound common sense and telling it like it is to me. Not really back-stabbing at all.

i'd agree but McCluskey was supporting Corbyn upto the vote, not like he's been voicing these concerns before.

 

[GT49er]

i'd agree but McCluskey was supporting Corbyn upto the vote, not like he's been voicing these concerns before.

So perhaps he deserves some credit for toeing the party line and remaining loyal for as long as they were actually fighting an election.

 

[BenGarfield]

Momentum is nothing like militant - this is true - Momentum fluffled around on the fringes - Militant actually built a mass movement - first in Liverpool where it build thousands of homes and created thousands of jobs - and then against the poll tax. Momentum wouldn't even know where to start.

Yeah, that was my impression at the time but the memory fades. Militant was certainly exremely well organised and active in the Trade Unions as far as I remember

 

[Sorrel]

Hated the election campaign, but rather liked the result. The PMs first speech was encouraging, but of course events always overtake the best of intentions. I do hope, with the majority, that we can have - for the first time in years - a government that now gets on with things rather than being drawn into endless parliamentary and court battles.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Hated the election campaign, but rather liked the result. The PMs first speech was encouraging, but of course events always overtake the best of intentions. I do hope, with the majority, that we can have - for the first time in years - a government that now gets on with things rather than being drawn into endless parliamentary and court battles.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Momentum is nothing like militant - this is true - Momentum fluffled around on the fringes - Militant actually built a mass movement - first in Liverpool where it build thousands of homes and created thousands of jobs - and then against the poll tax. Momentum wouldn't even know where to start.

Absolute nonsense. Were you even born at the time or just attempting a history rewrite ? A Liverpool Labour council issuing redundancy notices to workers because of the arrogance of their illegal budget. The campaigns of intimidation. ‘No compromise with the electorate’. This was the period when I left the party, never to return. Militant was a gift for the Tories in the 80s just as Corbyn is now.
If you ever want another Labour Government you might need to take the picture of Che Guevara down from your wall.

 

[Sorrel]

If the government is as bad as such images suggest then when the opportunity arrives then it is bound to be voted out.