[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Hampster Gull]

Leaders? She isn't a leader.

Define leader

 

[Fungus]

Not over yet, still waiting on the Scilly and St Ives count, delayed by low tide and bad weather. Anyone staying up all the way through until 2:30pm?

How do they manage in the Outer Hebrides?

 

[KZNSeagull]

Not over yet, still waiting on the Scilly and St Ives count, delayed by low tide and bad weather. Anyone staying up all the way through until 2:30pm?

How do they manage in the Outer Hebrides?

I guess because they are not southern softies?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[JC Footy Genius]

10% swing to LD's in my seat, a Tory 10k majority in 2015 is now a Lib Dem 10k majority. The lies worked on the many, we're the few

Down to eleven MPs and lost the leader, definitely the few.

 

[Fungus]

I guess because they are not southern softies?

South-western softies, you mean. Can't believe they couldn't phone through from the polling station on each island, as the final Scilly counts are phoned through to the mainland anyway.

(Clutching at diversionary straws here...)

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Where is he? Probably in a cold sweat.

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Down the second hand shop trading meg in
Regards
DF

 

[BenGarfield]

I wont implement them because they did not get elected. Bloody democracy.

Absolutely - I dont dispute that, but the OP was critising the Labour Party for electing leaders who will carry out their policies rather than those of the establishment. Its then up to the Labour Party to promote its historically soft left policies. Its difficult for them because the entire corporate print and broadcast media in this country is opposed to anything left of Blaris, which in my view isnt particularly left wing at all!

 

[Bulldog]

It was McCluskey's influence via the union UNITE that did for David Miliband and essentially screwed the Labour party turning it into the archaic left wing laughing house under Corbyn etc though really with McCluskey and others pulling the strings. So I would say they had a very strong (negative) influence on the result.

Spot on Wardy.

It has been a massive problem for Labour for years. It was union influence that got Ed elected simply because he was seen by the unions as more left wing that his moderate brother. The unions have backed Corbyn as the party slides ever further to the left.

It is going to be very difficult for the remaining moderates to get control of the party, back from the nut jobs that have taken it over, all the time the man with the cheque book is a Marxist himself.

 

[KZNSeagull]

South-western softies, you mean. Can't believe they couldn't phone through from the polling station on each island, as the final Scilly counts are phoned through to the mainland anyway.

(Clutching at diversionary straws here...)

Yes, does seem a bit odd but there you go.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Best of three' people didn't know what they were voting for ' only advisory ' ' Gammons and thicko's
Regards
DF

 

[KZNSeagull]

It is good that there are more women MP's in the commons than before. I thought many may have been put off but clearly not.

 

[GT49er]

It is good that there are more women MP's in the commons than before. I thought many may have been put off but clearly not.

A welcome absence of Bercow probably makes it more attractive!

 

[AmexRuislip]

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[Mellotron]

Some balance to the doom and gloom for those on the left;

It feels like we're waking up in a country that is suddenly far more Tory. That simply isn't the case.

Only 270,000 more people voted Tory than in 2017 - an election that most agree was shit for the Tories, that's one in every 264 people, roughly.
55% voted for centre-left/left parties.
The majority voted for Remain parties, for now the 3rd time in a row.
Labour received more votes yesterday than Blair got in 2005, in an election he won.

I think it is absolutely right that Corbyn goes, and Labour find a way to appeal more broadly. None of this is meant as a defence of Corbyn, more a "maybe things aren't quite as shit/Tory as they appear."

I am however slightly saddened at the fact it appears - regardless of Corbyn's many faults - that this country appears to have very little appetite to move towards modern social democracy - i.e. Norway, Denmark etc - some of the happiest countries in the world, who perform well on most agreed indices.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

So all thoughs people on the stop Brexit marches need to get a new hobby and top hat man ,any suggestions
Regards
DF

 

[Hastings gull]

It will be a disaster for Labour if they instal another Corbynista as leader. Regardless of your politics, If you want an effective democracy you need an effective opposition. Momentum hijacked Labour and forced out a number of decent centre left MPs. There now needs to be a purge of Momentum if Labour is to become electable again.

Exactly. But getting rid of the fanatics will not be easy - latching on to the Labour Party is their only hope, as their hard left policies do not resonate with the electorate. How this ever happened after Militant in the 80s is really strange - perhaps it is just a case of another generation who had no experience of what went on before.

 

[Hastings gull]

Some balance to the doom and gloom for those on the left;

It feels like we're waking up in a country that is suddenly far more Tory. That simply isn't the case.

270,000 more people voted Tory than in 2017 - an election that most agree was shit for the Tories, that's one in every 264 people, roughly.
55% voted for centre-left/left parties.
The majority voted for Remain parties, for now the 3rd time in a row.
Labour received more votes yesterday than Blair got in 2005, in an election he won.

I think it is absolutely right that Corbyn goes, and Labour find a way to appeal more broadly. None of this is meant as a defence of Corbyn, more a "maybe things aren't quite as shit/Tory as they appear."

I am however slightly saddened at the fact it appears - regardless of Corbyn's many faults - that this country appears to have very little appetite to move towards modern social democracy - i.e. Norway, Denmark etc - some of the happiest countries in the world, who perform well on most agreed indices.

In my time in Germany, I met loads of Danes, who so often said that Denmark is great if you are ill and/or old. I am not so sure that working tax -payers there are as deliriously happy as you suggest.

 

[Notters]

Some balance to the doom and gloom for those on the left;

It feels like we're waking up in a country that is suddenly far more Tory. That simply isn't the case.

Only 270,000 more people voted Tory than in 2017 - an election that most agree was shit for the Tories, that's one in every 264 people, roughly.
55% voted for centre-left/left parties.
The majority voted for Remain parties, for now the 3rd time in a row.
Labour received more votes yesterday than Blair got in 2005, in an election he won.

I think it is absolutely right that Corbyn goes, and Labour find a way to appeal more broadly. None of this is meant as a defence of Corbyn, more a "maybe things aren't quite as shit/Tory as they appear."

I am however slightly saddened at the fact it appears - regardless of Corbyn's many faults - that this country appears to have very little appetite to move towards modern social democracy - i.e. Norway, Denmark etc - some of the happiest countries in the world, who perform well on most agreed indices.

All good points, but ones which will be glossed over by the media and which prove that our elective system is broken.

 

[CHAPPERS]

It is good that there are more women MP's in the commons than before. I thought many may have been put off but clearly not.

The Tories have some work to do here.