[Politics] The General Election Thread

[melias shoes]

Watford Bloke are you still having nightmares?
Regards
DF

Where is he? Probably in a cold sweat.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1205249028637806592?s=20

Quality rant

 

[wellquickwoody]

Unfortunately, The Tories will have to branch out and do something about climate change, Their paymaster may scoff, but we are running out of time.

This Tory manifesto, is devoid of any ambition, economically, climatically, and socially.

It is what it is. And what it it is, is a glorified slogan, giving them the chance to push the many things in the manifesto the "get brexit done" voters don't know about through the back door.

Judicial review of laws politics - gone. Workers rights reduced. Human rights reduced. Climate change - no action.

Grizzle, grizzle, grizzle. Go away and sort out your own issues.

 

[shingle]

Lewes - Caufield's majority was over 7,000 in 2017, now only just over 2,000. Labour Kate Chappell got 3K votes. Thanks Labour. You weren't prepared to help people to vote tactically so you've been punished.
A second devasting blow in just three days.

What are you talking about, Here's the cold hard FACTS, Maria Caulfield's majority was 5000 last election, not over 7000. The Labour vote was over 6000 last election, this time tactical voting took place and as a result the Labour vote halved. Many Labour voters DID vote tactically, the alliance still couldn't unseat Maria Caulfield though.

I am so relieved that my country is safe from the maniac Corbyn, hopefully he'll be replaced by someone more centre left, then I might consider voting Labour again, I have done in the past.

 

[Lever]

If Labour wants to stay unelectable forever that is their right.

Trouble is it provides no balance to the Torys who could forever do what they want.

It'll be more and more important to have a vote in the Tory leadership contest going forward. I might join soon, just to have a say in who the next PM is.

Yes, I agree.
There will be few checks and balances for the tory agenda for the foreseeable future......

 

[Grombleton]

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1205249028637806592?s=20

Quality rant

He's not wrong either. I think it's less that the Tories won the election, more that he lost it. If he had been more decisive and clearer on policies then he could have had a real shot and given Johnson a real fright. But he didn't. Now he's got to live with that.

 

[BenGarfield]

The funny thing is momentum types saying the policies are popular, it was Corbyn or it was Brexit. Deluded beyond belief. Keep the same policies and they are out of power until the Tories **** up. Which maybe their strategy

The actual evidence points to them being popular. According to a yougov poll in November and reported by The Independent on 23rd November-

"The most popular is the 50 per cent tax rate for earnings over £123,000: 64 per cent of voters support that, with just 20 per cent opposed and 16 per cent not sure.
A 45 per cent rate for earnings over £80,000 is similarly popular: 60 per cent support and just 23 per cent oppose. 56 per cent support nationalising railways and just 22 per cent oppose. Water companies 50 per cent support and just 25 per cent oppose. Utilities like gas and electricity are supported by 45 per cent. Nationalising Openreach, with 32 per cent supporting and 31 per cent opposed – free broadband for all, is widely supported. 62 per cent support the idea and 22 per cent oppose it.Plans discussed to overhaul corporate governance and make boards one third elected workers have also been very positively received: 54 per cent support these policies and 21 per cent oppose them.

What to make of all this? The public are absolutely not scared of government intervention and quite like Labour's socialist platform. These policies individually range from quite popular to ridiculously popular.

Of course, Labour is still far behind in the polls, with the Tories averaging around 10 point lead. But it very difficult to find any evidence to suggest that Labour's policy platform is causing that"

I agree with the Independents analysis. That polling performance didnt change but Labour would be foolish to abandon popular policies so obviously affected by its members stupid decision to renege on Brexit. The Brexit debate put the labour leadership in an impossible position as the party was so obviously split. Hindsight is easy but the remainers within Labour should have bitten their collective lips and campaigned for a soft Brexit and none of this peoples vote nonsense.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

There was an interesting fact on the BBC last night, I think from Sir John, that no party that has started from so far behind as Labour will at the next GE has won. So you can turn your 15 years into 20.

Especially as the Boundary Commission will get cracking now (only didn't happen under the coalition as the Lib Dems were so set against it) there will be a crackdown on postal votes and we'll have voter ID by the next election.

 

[AmexRuislip]

 

[CHAPPERS]

Do we get to see the various reports that have been buried in the election now? We've got the Russia thing to be released and Boris' misuse of trade trips to take his mistress along.

I wonder.

 

[BensGrandad]

Especially as the Boundary Commission will get cracking now (only didn't happen under the coalition as the Lib Dems were so set against it) there will be a crackdown on postal votes and we'll have voter ID by the next election.

Also no reduction in the voting age to 16 as wanted by some parties.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

currently require 15% of the MPs, so 30. and they could change the rules before an election if they (the momentum led leadership) dont think they'll get their woman on the ballot.

I see.

Well if there are 30 MPs willing to support a momentum candidate, the candidate gets on the ballot and will then win, owing to the membership vote. That seems quite likey to me. If that happens I can see more defections.

What a mess.

 

[GT49er]

Surprised the majority was so large tbh although expected a majority of some kind. Its no great surprise in my opinion labour have lost so many seats. They have had 1 elected prime minister in past 50 years.

Two, not one.

 

[Hampster Gull]

The actual evidence points to them being popular. According to a yougov poll in November and reported by The Independent on 23rd November-

"The most popular is the 50 per cent tax rate for earnings over £123,000: 64 per cent of voters support that, with just 20 per cent opposed and 16 per cent not sure.
A 45 per cent rate for earnings over £80,000 is similarly popular: 60 per cent support and just 23 per cent oppose. 56 per cent support nationalising railways and just 22 per cent oppose. Water companies 50 per cent support and just 25 per cent oppose. Utilities like gas and electricity are supported by 45 per cent. Nationalising Openreach, with 32 per cent supporting and 31 per cent opposed – free broadband for all, is widely supported. 62 per cent support the idea and 22 per cent oppose it.Plans discussed to overhaul corporate governance and make boards one third elected workers have also been very positively received: 54 per cent support these policies and 21 per cent oppose them.

What to make of all this? The public are absolutely not scared of government intervention and quite like Labour's socialist platform. These policies individually range from quite popular to ridiculously popular.

Of course, Labour is still far behind in the polls, with the Tories averaging around 10 point lead. But it very difficult to find any evidence to suggest that Labour's policy platform is causing that"

I agree with the Independents analysis. That polling performance didnt change but Labour would be foolish to abandon popular policies so obviously affected by its members stupid decision to renege on Brexit. The Brexit debate put the labour leadership in an impossible position as the party was so obviously split. Hindsight is easy but the remainers within Labour should have bitten their collective lips and campaigned for a soft Brexit and none of this peoples vote nonsense.

Bingo, exactly my point. One of the biggest ever Labour loses and it’s nothing to do with their policies.

The Momentum style policies will continue to be rejected. Too much, too extreme. But the Tories will mess up at some point, might be 5 years, might be 10. Shame that the poor suffer more whilst the hard left applause themselves.

Funny the founder of momentum went to a top U.K. private school.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

FPTP voting.

 

[Lower West Stander]

The actual evidence points to them being popular. According to a yougov poll in November and reported by The Independent on 23rd November-

"The most popular is the 50 per cent tax rate for earnings over £123,000: 64 per cent of voters support that, with just 20 per cent opposed and 16 per cent not sure.
A 45 per cent rate for earnings over £80,000 is similarly popular: 60 per cent support and just 23 per cent oppose. 56 per cent support nationalising railways and just 22 per cent oppose. Water companies 50 per cent support and just 25 per cent oppose. Utilities like gas and electricity are supported by 45 per cent. Nationalising Openreach, with 32 per cent supporting and 31 per cent opposed – free broadband for all, is widely supported. 62 per cent support the idea and 22 per cent oppose it.Plans discussed to overhaul corporate governance and make boards one third elected workers have also been very positively received: 54 per cent support these policies and 21 per cent oppose them.

What to make of all this? The public are absolutely not scared of government intervention and quite like Labour's socialist platform. These policies individually range from quite popular to ridiculously popular.

Of course, Labour is still far behind in the polls, with the Tories averaging around 10 point lead. But it very difficult to find any evidence to suggest that Labour's policy platform is causing that"

I agree with the Independents analysis. That polling performance didnt change but Labour would be foolish to abandon popular policies so obviously affected by its members stupid decision to renege on Brexit. The Brexit debate put the labour leadership in an impossible position as the party was so obviously split. Hindsight is easy but the remainers within Labour should have bitten their collective lips and campaigned for a soft Brexit and none of this peoples vote nonsense.

Eh?

Do you honestly and truly think that if the Labour Party goes into the next election with the same policies it will win? Being popular and actually voting for something are completely different things. Socialist policies like Jeremy's are great in principle but not in practice......

And I was far more scared of Corbyn getting than Brexit....

 

[Sirnormangall]

Nobody has corrected me yet....present labour process as far as I know is that to get on a leadership election ballot the MP needs the signature of 50 MPs. You can't get on the ballot without this. So Corbyn can't nominate a successor, and the membership can't either.

If this is still the case, labour will end up with someone decent. If it is no longer the case it will be another momentum tosser....because the membership is overwhelmingly 'Corbynist'. We saw what happened in their previous leadership elections.

Corbyn seems to be trying to work out how to preserve his 'legacy'. This is where the old left come into their own - manipulating constitutions so they can control their internal process. And, of course, no compromise with the electorate.

It will be a disaster for Labour if they instal another Corbynista as leader. Regardless of your politics, If you want an effective democracy you need an effective opposition. Momentum hijacked Labour and forced out a number of decent centre left MPs. There now needs to be a purge of Momentum if Labour is to become electable again.

 

[BenGarfield]

I see.

Well if there are 30 MPs willing to support a momentum candidate, the candidate gets on the ballot and will then win, owing to the membership vote. That seems quite likey to me. If that happens I can see more defections.

What a mess.

Oh dear, this bloody democracy is so annoying isnt it, what with all these upstart labour members deciding on policy and then voting for leaders who will actually implement them.

 

[Miami Seagull]

What a night. The future is bright my friends.. at last

 

[Justice]

What a night. The future is bright my friends.. at last

With a liar like Boris at the helm