[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Hugo Rune]

Currently 9/2 on Corbyn being the PM when the dust settles.

If you’re certain it will be a hung Commons come Friday, this is printing money, in huge sums.

(The other parties have all made it plain that they will not do any deal with the Tories).

The Tories could very easily be wiped out of London and Scotland.

They’ve then got to bash huge holes in the Red Wall to get a majority, all the time holding on to a fair few southern seats that they’ve taken from the Lib Dem’s recently.

Election night will be very very dramatic.

 

[BadFish]

Everyone needs to vote for what is best for them. If you value pounds in your pocket, and not seeing your taxes wasted, vote Conservative on Thursday.

This is interesting to me as personally I don't think I do vote for what is best for me. I vote for what is best for the society I love in.

I am grateful and feel incredibly lucky to have been born into a culture that has allowed me to eek out a modest living for me and my family. I have all I need for me and mine. I appreciate the opportunities afforded me in love from growing up in Hove in a middle class family.

I also appreciate that some are not so lucky. My vote usually goes to the party I believe will help society as a whole, the party that will attempt to solve the biggest issue of our time (not Brexit), the party that will create a better world for my kids and grand kids eventually.

I guess I am saying that I am prepared to forego pounds in my pocket for a crack at a better society to live in. Climate change, health care, education, services for people with disabilities, reducing unemployment are some things of the top of my head (I'm sure I've missed some) that are higher up my priorities list than pounds in my pocket.

Here in Australia we move between left and right far more than you chaps in the UK and if I'm honest it doesn't effect things day to day for my family a whole lot. So I disagree that we should vote for what is best for us, vote for what is best for your society (and possibly even what is best for the planet) .


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[Is it PotG?]

The Tories could very easily be wiped out of London and Scotland.

They’ve then got to bash huge holes in the Red Wall to get a majority, all the time holding on to a fair few southern seats that they’ve taken from the Lib Dem’s recently.

Election night will be very very dramatic.

So I take it you are partaking of the sage Westander advice and lumping on Jezza @ 9/2. Would return a tidy (tax free) sum.

 

[BenGarfield]

Noticeable that the three biggest Corbyn shills on here, Middlesboro Mikey, Jolly Irish Giant and Ben don’t have a nano second inside the Amex Stadium between them. It’s enough to make you want to side with Chicken Run


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When not subverting the UK state from my dingy Moscow basement, I have occasionally been known to frequent the west stand upper, and make the odd trip to Gillingham with Liz Costa, and buy Gulls Eye from Lenny Rider on the corner of Newtown Road. Not that it has any bearing on this political debate. You seem to be thinking that long-term Albion fans cannot be left wing. Why shouldn`t others contribute to this debate?

 

[Lever]

This is interesting to me as personally I don't think I do vote for what is best for me. I vote for what is best for the society I love in.

I am grateful and feel incredibly lucky to have been born into a culture that has allowed me to eek out a modest living for me and my family. I have all I need for me and mine. I appreciate the opportunities afforded me in love from growing up in Hove in a middle class family.

I also appreciate that some are not so lucky. My vote usually goes to the party I believe will help society as a whole, the party that will attempt to solve the biggest issue of our time (not Brexit), the party that will create a better world for my kids and grand kids eventually.

I guess I am saying that I am prepared to forego pounds in my pocket for a crack at a better society to live in. Climate change, health care, education, services for people with disabilities, reducing unemployment are some things of the top of my head (I'm sure I've missed some) that are higher up my priorities list than pounds in my pocket.

Here in Australia we move between left and right far more than you chaps in the UK and if I'm honest it doesn't effect things day to day for my family a whole lot. So I disagree that we should vote for what is best for us, vote for what is best for your society (and possibly even what is best for the planet) .


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Well put.... As you can see, we face challenges from the unacceptable, minority, extreme capitalists in this country at the moment. Such people see the 'pound in their pocket' as the first, last and only criterion for their vote.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Good grief, you need help.

If only you could help, we could have been so great, but you kept dictating about your bendy banana law, straight bananas were good for me.

au revoir mon ami
Auf Wiedersehen mein Freund
farvel min ven

 

[knocky1]

Noticeable that the three biggest Corbyn shills on here, Middlesboro Mikey, Jolly Irish Giant and Ben don’t have a nano second inside the Amex Stadium between them. It’s enough to make you want to side with Chicken Run


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Add me in with the anti Semite, scruffy non STH. Enjoy Boris and the those that come along with him.

All carries on as normal on running thread. *

 

[The Clamp]

Cheer up. Christmas is coming. Who doesn’t like a muppet?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWC6_SjHKQ

 

[knocky1]

When not subverting the UK state from my dingy Moscow basement, I have occasionally been known to frequent the west stand upper, and make the odd trip to Gillingham with Liz Costa, and buy Gulls Eye from Lenny Rider on the corner of Newtown Road. Not that it has any bearing on this political debate. You seem to be thinking that long-term Albion fans cannot be left wing. Why shouldn`t others contribute to this debate?

You’ve a future. Former communication with “window licker” and a part time racist puts you in the in crowd. You might have blown your cover too soon.

 

[Chicken Run]

This is interesting to me as personally I don't think I do vote for what is best for me. I vote for what is best for the society I love in.

I am grateful and feel incredibly lucky to have been born into a culture that has allowed me to eek out a modest living for me and my family. I have all I need for me and mine. I appreciate the opportunities afforded me in love from growing up in Hove in a middle class family.

I also appreciate that some are not so lucky. My vote usually goes to the party I believe will help society as a whole, the party that will attempt to solve the biggest issue of our time (not Brexit), the party that will create a better world for my kids and grand kids eventually.

I guess I am saying that I am prepared to forego pounds in my pocket for a crack at a better society to live in. Climate change, health care, education, services for people with disabilities, reducing unemployment are some things of the top of my head (I'm sure I've missed some) that are higher up my priorities list than pounds in my pocket.

Here in Australia we move between left and right far more than you chaps in the UK and if I'm honest it doesn't effect things day to day for my family a whole lot. So I disagree that we should vote for what is best for us, vote for what is best for your society (and possibly even what is best for the planet) .


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Good post and nicely put!

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Nerd that I am I decided to come back to this - and I will point out initially that I have campaigned in Ireland in opposition to the IRA campaign since the the late 1970s when I was a teenager.

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.

Yes - Corbyn met with Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn after the Brighton Bombing - the meeting was arranged to discuss the treatment of prisoners the North of Ireland - both had served convictions on conspiracy charges, both claimed that they were not members of the IRA and had been wrongfully convicted. At the time Corbyn had no reason to disbelieve these individuals - he was also campaigning at this time for the release of the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four and the Maguire Seven - all of whom had their convictions quashed after it was proven that the police had lied in court.

Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.

Breandán Mac Cionnaith spent six years in prison for an IRA bombing of a British Legion Hall in 1981. After his release Mac Cionnaith focused on political activity and there is zero evidence that he was involved with the IRA. Corbyn spoke on a platform with him in 2000 to demand a full inquiry into the murder of 14 innocent people by the British army in Derry in 1972. The Saville Inquiry had been established in 1998 - its findings weren't published until 2010 - 38 years after the killings and it confirmed that the victims were innocent of any wrong doing. Mac Cionnaith resigned from Sinn Fein in 2007.

Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.

Yes - Corbyn spoke on a platform in 2005 with Raymond McCartney to demand the publication of the report of the Saville Inquiry. McCartney was on the protest in Derry on Bloody Sunday in 1972 - he was 18 years old at the time. His cousin, James Wray, was one of those killed by the British Army, he was shot in the back as he was running for cover when the shooting started. McCartney joined the IRA after the killings (as did numerous others). In 1979 McCartney and another man were convicted of killing a member of the RUC and a businessman in 1977, sentenced to life in prison. He was released under licence in 1994. McCartney claimed he was innocent - and his convictions were quashed in 2007 - the only evidence against him was a confession that was fabricated by the police. At the time of this meeting McCartney was an elected member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and has been one of the leading figures in Sinn Fein who advocated for the end to the IRA campaign.

Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.

Mitchel McLaughlin is a loud mouth - the IRA wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. There is zero evidence that he was ever involved in the IRA. McLaughlin was elected as a Sinn Fein member to the Northern Ireland Assembly in 1998. The meeting with Corbyn happened in 1996 - Corbyn was one of several MPs who met with him to discuss the Northern Ireland peace process and how to move it along. McLaughlin was told that the IRA would have to reestablish their ceasefire before talks could progress.

Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.

This one is a beaut - Martina Anderson served time for conspiracy charges - she was elected an MLA in 2007 and is currently an MEP. The meeting with Corbyn organised by the Islington LP took place in 2007 (after Anderson was elected to the Northern Ireland Assembly) and was a debate on the peace process in the North - also participating in the debate was Sammy Wilson, hardline MLA for the Democratic Unionist Party (and racist Tory). So if Corbyn is to be criticised for meeting with Anderson - he should be equally criticised for meeting with Unionist bigot Wilson.

Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.

Yes - Corbyn had dinner with Gerry Kelly - in 2009 in London (by the way - I have also had 'dinner' with Gerry Kelly - we were in the same room - and the guy is an arrogant pr*ck). Corbyn was one of several hundred people at the event (and not the only British politician).

Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.

This was a conference that discussed the 1981 IRA hunger strike and its impact on international events today. Corbyn chaired one session of the conference - Bik McFarlane spoke at a different session. McFarlane joined the IRA in 1969 at the height of a loyalist pogrom in Belfast when loyalist thugs were burning Catholics out of their homes. He was convicted of a bombing in 1975 on the Protestant Shankill Road in Belfast that killed 4 innocent Protestants and one loyalist paramilitary member (who was there incidentally) and injured more than 60. The bomb attack was in retaliation for the Loyalist massacre of members of the Miami showband two weeks earlier. The bombing took place at the tail-end of an extended period of brutal sectarian killings that saw republican paramilitaries kill 88 Protestant civilians and loyalist paramilitaries kill over 250 innocent Catholic civilians. It was the darkest period for sectarian violence in the North and almost catapulted the North of Ireland into an open sectarian civil war. The Shankill bombing was one of the events that led to the establishment of the 'peace people' and the trade union 'Better Life for All' campaign with Catholic and Protestant working class people uniting on the streets to demand an end to sectarian killings.

McFarlane was sentenced to life in prison for the Shankill Road bombing. McFarlane was IRA commanding officer in the Maze prison when the hunger strikes took place in 1981 - the main reason why he was at the conference attended by Corbyn. He led a mass breakout of IRA prisoners from the Maze in 1983 and remained at large until re-arrested in 1986 in Holland and held until 1997. In 1998 he was charged with a kidnapping in the South in 1983 - the court case continued until 2010 when it collapsed due to lack of evidence.

A neighbour of mine is a relative of Bik McFarlane - and I got to know him when assisting a student who was researching the Maze prison breakout. I found him a highly intelligent character, deeply committed in his beliefs and someone who is totally committed to the peace process that Sinn Fein have engaged with. This is not to say that I support his previous aims or methods - but that he has traveled a long journey from IRA terrorist to peace advocate.

Yes Corbyn has met people who are formerly connected with the IRA (as have I) - that does not mean he supported their methods (and he has stated this) - but you cannot remove the context or the circumstances. The national question in the North of Ireland is a highly complex problem - one that is all too often clouded in propaganda from all sides (including the Tories).

It should be noted that while Corbyn has met members of Sinn Fein in public - the Tories - including Thatcher - and Labour ministers in government - have held secret talks with the IRA on an ongoing basis since the start of the Troubles in 1969 (they have also held secret talks with loyalist paramilitaries - whose sectarian atrocities have been far worse than the IRA). Corbyn is condemned for doing in public what the Tories get praised for doing behind closed doors - it really is a case of throwing enough mud so some of it will stick.

 

[birthofanorange]

If only you could help, we could have been so great, but you kept dictating about your bendy banana law, straight bananas were good for me.

au revoir mon ami
Auf Wiedersehen mein Freund
farvel min ven

I'd pity you if you weren't such a ****.

 

[knocky1]

I'd pity you if you weren't such a ****.

I pray for you has the same meaning but I prefer your words.

 

[zefarelly]

Well put.... As you can see, we face challenges from the unacceptable, minority, extreme capitalists in this country at the moment. Such people see the 'pound in their pocket' as the first, last and only criterion for their vote.

In addition to what you rightly say, and was previously said, the other big issue is so many people have been hoodwinked into thinking they have more, whilst getting less. Hoodwinked by businesses, the press and worst of all the politicians. The 'upper working class' have been convinced they're middles class because their ex council houses currently have a value previously unimaginable . . . . Credit is nigh on free . . . . It won't take much of a shift to see millions in reposessive debt.

 

[Weststander]

The Tories could very easily be wiped out of London and Scotland.

They’ve then got to bash huge holes in the Red Wall to get a majority, all the time holding on to a fair few southern seats that they’ve taken from the Lib Dem’s recently.

Election night will be very very dramatic.

The SNP will continue to destroy Labour and Tories in Scotland.

In taking those 9/2 odds on Corbyn being the PM, we can make huge sums. Do it.

It will be dramatic, one way or another. Either way, the UK will be heading down a new and unknown road, that will a drama too.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Do you distribute the Socialist Worker ?

Nope - nothing to do with them

He’s also English and Ghanaian ,

Actually if you listen to him he talks about his irish and Ghanaian heritage.

And your description of Kyle is why he’s electable!

what is making him electable is the fact that he is on the LP ticket.

I didnt know that about their allegiences in Ireland. The Green detailed policies seem really good. If they joined the Tories here they of course lose my vote. I suppose things can get a bit muddier with the need for coalitions under PR.

The Greens policies always 'seem really good' - it is what they do when in government that counts - their policies in Britain are no different than Ireland or Germany or anywhere else - their antics in government are all the same as well.

 

[vegster]

Nerd that I am I decided to come back to this - and I will point out initially that I have campaigned in Ireland in opposition to the IRA campaign since the the late 1970s when I was a teenager.


Yes - Corbyn met with Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn after the Brighton Bombing - the meeting was arranged to discuss the treatment of prisoners the North of Ireland - both had served convictions on conspiracy charges, both claimed that they were not members of the IRA and had been wrongfully convicted. At the time Corbyn had no reason to disbelieve these individuals - he was also campaigning at this time for the release of the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four and the Maguire Seven - all of whom had their convictions quashed after it was proven that the police had lied in court.


Breandán Mac Cionnaith spent six years in prison for an IRA bombing of a British Legion Hall in 1981. After his release Mac Cionnaith focused on political activity and there is zero evidence that he was involved with the IRA. Corbyn spoke on a platform with him in 2000 to demand a full inquiry into the murder of 14 innocent people by the British army in Derry in 1972. The Saville Inquiry had been established in 1998 - its findings weren't published until 2010 - 38 years after the killings and it confirmed that the victims were innocent of any wrong doing. Mac Cionnaith resigned from Sinn Fein in 2007.



Yes - Corbyn spoke on a platform in 2005 with Raymond McCartney to demand the publication of the report of the Saville Inquiry. McCartney was on the protest in Derry on Bloody Sunday in 1972 - he was 18 years old at the time. His cousin, James Wray, was one of those killed by the British Army, he was shot in the back as he was running for cover when the shooting started. McCartney joined the IRA after the killings (as did numerous others). In 1979 McCartney and another man were convicted of killing a member of the RUC and a businessman in 1977, sentenced to life in prison. He was released under licence in 1994. McCartney claimed he was innocent - and his convictions were quashed in 2007 - the only evidence against him was a confession that was fabricated by the police. At the time of this meeting McCartney was an elected member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and has been one of the leading figures in Sinn Fein who advocated for the end to the IRA campaign.


Mitchel McLaughlin is a loud mouth - the IRA wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. There is zero evidence that he was ever involved in the IRA. McLaughlin was elected as a Sinn Fein member to the Northern Ireland Assembly in 1998. The meeting with Corbyn happened in 1996 - Corbyn was one of several MPs who met with him to discuss the Northern Ireland peace process and how to move it along. McLaughlin was told that the IRA would have to reestablish their ceasefire before talks could progress.


This one is a beaut - Martina Anderson served time for conspiracy charges - she was elected an MLA in 2007 and is currently an MEP. The meeting with Corbyn organised by the Islington LP took place in 2007 (after Anderson was elected to the Northern Ireland Assembly) and was a debate on the peace process in the North - also participating in the debate was Sammy Wilson, hardline MLA for the Democratic Unionist Party (and racist Tory). So if Corbyn is to be criticised for meeting with Anderson - he should be equally criticised for meeting with Unionist bigot Wilson.


Yes - Corbyn had dinner with Gerry Kelly - in 2009 in London (by the way - I have also had 'dinner' with Gerry Kelly - we were in the same room - and the guy is an arrogant pr*ck). Corbyn was one of several hundred people at the event (and not the only British politician).


This was a conference that discussed the 1981 IRA hunger strike and its impact on international events today. Corbyn chaired one session of the conference - Bik McFarlane spoke at a different session. McFarlane joined the IRA in 1969 at the height of a loyalist pogrom in Belfast when loyalist thugs were burning Catholics out of their homes. He was convicted of a bombing in 1975 on the Protestant Shankill Road in Belfast that killed 4 innocent Protestants and one loyalist paramilitary member (who was there incidentally) and injured more than 60. The bomb attack was in retaliation for the Loyalist massacre of members of the Miami showband two weeks earlier. The bombing took place at the tail-end of an extended period of brutal sectarian killings that saw republican paramilitaries kill 88 Protestant civilians and loyalist paramilitaries kill over 250 innocent Catholic civilians. It was the darkest period for sectarian violence in the North and almost catapulted the North of Ireland into an open sectarian civil war. The Shankill bombing was one of the events that led to the establishment of the 'peace people' and the trade union 'Better Life for All' campaign with Catholic and Protestant working class people uniting on the streets to demand an end to sectarian killings.

McFarlane was sentenced to life in prison for the Shankill Road bombing. McFarlane was IRA commanding officer in the Maze prison when the hunger strikes took place in 1981 - the main reason why he was at the conference attended by Corbyn. He led a mass breakout of IRA prisoners from the Maze in 1983 and remained at large until re-arrested in 1986 in Holland and held until 1997. In 1998 he was charged with a kidnapping in the South in 1983 - the court case continued until 2010 when it collapsed due to lack of evidence.

A neighbour of mine is a relative of Bik McFarlane - and I got to know him when assisting a student who was researching the Maze prison breakout. I found him a highly intelligent character, deeply committed in his beliefs and someone who is totally committed to the peace process that Sinn Fein have engaged with. This is not to say that I support his previous aims or methods - but that he has traveled a long journey from IRA terrorist to peace advocate.

Yes Corbyn has met people who are formerly connected with the IRA (as have I) - that does not mean he supported their methods (and he has stated this) - but you cannot remove the context or the circumstances. The national question in the North of Ireland is a highly complex problem - one that is all too often clouded in propaganda from all sides (including the Tories).

It should be noted that while Corbyn has met members of Sinn Fein in public - the Tories - including Thatcher - and Labour ministers in government - have held secret talks with the IRA on an ongoing basis since the start of the Troubles in 1969 (they have also held secret talks with loyalist paramilitaries - whose sectarian atrocities have been far worse than the IRA). Corbyn is condemned for doing in public what the Tories get praised for doing behind closed doors - it really is a case of throwing enough mud so some of it will stick.

Interesting background, but, as you say if enough mud is thrown...… besides, Corbyn wore the wrong coat to a memorial service.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

You sound like a 19th Century missionary talking about Africa.

Nope - a 21st century socialist who recognises that a tiny handful of people have more wealth than half of the planet and the Tories in every country will continue to screw working class people until they are stopped.

Noticeable that the three biggest Corbyn shills on here, Middlesboro Mikey, Jolly Irish Giant and Ben don’t have a nano second inside the Amex Stadium between them. It’s enough to make you want to side with Chicken Run

Jumping to conclusions again there GB - but you do have a habit of that.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Interesting background, but, as you say if enough mud is thrown...… besides, Corbyn wore the wrong coat to a memorial service.

One further point of interest - while all this mud is being thrown at Corbyn - Johnson is promising immunity from prosecution for the British soldiers responsible for the murder of 14 innocent people in Derry in 1972.

 

[Ernest]

I'm baffled by the betting in Hove , Sir Peter Kyle is 1/4 , the invisible man Robert Nemeth is 4/1 , 40/1 bar. Kyle is insanely popular and he has my backing. 1/6 is simply buying money stick 6 grand on and pick up 7 grand on Friday , easiest money ever