[Politics] The General Election Thread

[BenGarfield]

You choose to believe the half dozen rabble rousers who would have deselected Kyle and handed the seat to Robert Nemeth and you do so because you know and understand **** all about our town and community. It’s like me posting condescending nonsense about Galway because I once had a bottle of Hooker


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Jolly Red Giant is spot on. And I am one who has lived in this city for 60 years!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

So what you are telling us is that without any first hand knowledge of your own, you have taken the word of one employee who has lost his/her job over another - and it happens to fit in your 'world view' that it is 'nothing to do with Brexit'.... Really? Well, see you later, hopefully after you have recognised how silly and partial your comments are.......

There are two sides to every story.

 

[GT49er]

He brought it up.

No he didn't; he replied to it. Appears you don't like being called out for your error. Who cares?

(not me, by the way)

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No he didn't; he replied to it. Appears you don't like being called out for your error. Who cares?

(not me, by the way)

So why are you arguing?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

You choose to believe the half dozen rabble rousers who would have deselected Kyle and handed the seat to Robert Nemeth and you do so because you know and understand **** all about our town and community. It’s like me posting condescending nonsense about Galway because I once had a bottle of Hooker

Oh yea - a Blairite is the only candidate capable of beating a Tory - if that was the case Corbyn wouldn't even be an MP - socialists would never have been elected to the LP (including the first ever Labour MP) - and the Blairites would be in perpetual power.

And by the way - it is not that long ago that the Blairites (yes Kyle's bunch) on B&H council tried to close Hove library and flog the property off to private developers - and the Tories (including Nemeth) were part of the political concoction that stopped them. It is bad when the person you are cheer-leading was stopped by a Tory from trying to sell off a library to create profit for a speculator.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not true. Do you think that if someone like Chris Williamson had been elected the attacks would not have been as severe? Its not really about his personality. Corbyn is being attacked for his long held socialist, ant-racist anti-imperialist world view, shared by very many in the labour party membership. The bulk of the media, the right of his own party and the neo-con military industrial complex in the USA/UK cant tolerate the prospect of a British PM holding such a world view.

whats "not true"? unless something changes, the polling is telling us Corbyn and his politics are not widely liked. his views may be held in high regard within the party, its worth noting they represent ~1% of the electorate.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Jolly Red Giant is spot on. And I am one who has lived in this city for 60 years!

We’ll see. I’d happily wager money on Kyle getting re-elected on a large local vote, Labour getting heavily beaten nationwide and Corbyn clinging on like a twitching corpse. In fact I’ll probably shove a few quid on both before Thursday

How does a Green know what’s going on in Labour anyway? I thought you *didn’t* support Labour?

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[birthofanorange]

No he didn't; he replied to it. Appears you don't like being called out for your error. Who cares?

(not me, by the way)

And there was me thinking he wanted to express his genuine sorrow....how silly of me.

Again, you don't surprise me by caring or not.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

There is no anti-semitism problem in the LP - a handful of people making anti-semitic comments out of a party of over half a million members is not a 'problem' - it is hysteria whipped up by the Blairites, the Tories and the right-wing media..

SO do I believe the Jewish Labour members that have spoken out - some that are MPs - or do I believe someone based in Ireland and posts on a football chat board ( oh, and clearly supports an extreme left wing organisation and possibly even the IRA ) ? Hmmmmm ...... difficult one .....

 

[ManOfSussex]

1. Yet is such an abject failure at dealing with the problem in the party HE is the leader of.
2. Wouldn't care if he was - I don't consider Hamas terrorists
3. Yet likes to have tea with the IRA when he had zero influence over what was going on and even went and spoke at an IRA members funeral. Not to mention his sympathy for the IRA members killed in the war. .

Which IRA members funeral did he attend and speak at?

 

[BenGarfield]

Sums up labour at the moment, don’t drink the cool aid 100 percent you are out.

Rubbish! Labour is supposed to be a Democratic Socialist Party as defined in its constitution, not a party of neo-liberal blairite careerists. Other parties are available. I dont like Chuka Ummana much, but at least he left to join a party that matches his own views. Kyle, Blair et al should do the same, giving the electorate a real choice.

 

[Guinness Boy]

There is no anti-semitism problem in the LP

Straight out of the Little Red Book

It’s an election, not a Jedi mind trick


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[Guinness Boy]

Rubbish! Labour is supposed to be a Democratic Socialist Party as defined in its constitution, not a party of neo-liberal blairite careerists. Other parties are available. I dont like Chuka Ummana much, but at least he left to join a party that matches his own views. Kyle, Blair et al should do the same, giving the electorate a real choice.

The electorate has a choice and they’re choosing Boris

Again, what does a Green care? If Labour moves right you take their votes


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[Deleted member 2719]

1. Yet is such an abject failure at dealing with the problem in the party HE is the leader of.
2. Wouldn't care if he was - I don't consider Hamas terrorists
3. Yet likes to have tea with the IRA when he had zero influence over what was going on and even went and spoke at an IRA members funeral. Not to mention his sympathy for the IRA members killed in the war. .

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really

 

[Lever]

There are two sides to every story.

Welcome back bashlsdir; glad your self imposed exile was short... I think. Indeed there are two sides to every story, but you seem to be trying to present one of the 'two sides' as fact. Have you learnt that approach from the tory press?

 

[BenGarfield]

whats "not true"? unless something changes, the polling is telling us Corbyn and his politics are not widely liked. his views may be held in high regard within the party, its worth noting they represent ~1% of the electorate.

Whats not true is that you said that if the labour party was led by anyone else other than Corbyn they would be doing better. Its not him its his policies which could have been espoused by other Labour MPs.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Noticeable that the three biggest Corbyn shills on here, Middlesboro Mikey, Jolly Irish Giant and Ben don’t have a nano second inside the Amex Stadium between them. It’s enough to make you want to side with Chicken Run


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[Kinky Gerbil]

Rubbish! Labour is supposed to be a Democratic Socialist Party as defined in its constitution, not a party of neo-liberal blairite careerists. Other parties are available. I dont like Chuka Ummana much, but at least he left to join a party that matches his own views. Kyle, Blair et al should do the same, giving the electorate a real choice.

They are choosing, choosing Boris Johnson over the current labour set up.

Unless labour change potentially they are not getting into power for years.

So the choice is change, or remain the opposition

 

[birthofanorange]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really

No, it really isn't, but it is if you are you.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn ...

So it’s a tricky one really

Someone has been trawling through Tory propaganda