[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Does it matter what Corbyns view is? I mean, if I choose to fly to Greece, I don't need to know if the Pilot would rather be flying to Italy, he is still taking me to Greece.

Brilliant analogy

Although when I started reading I thought you were about to say ".......I mean, it isn't as if he's going to become prime minister, is he? "

I say that despite having predicted Trump as POTUS, the vote: leave, and....Corbyn to become PM.....(I am moderately in favour of only one of these, btw).

 

[Stat Brother]

I just don't understand how people can say:-

'Yep, they get my vote'

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Bang on queue , you're another one that will be crying into their cornflakes
Regards
DF

I couldn't resist unblocking you momentarily to see if there might be comedy gold .

Thanks for not letting me down .

As far as my unblocking you again , you'll just have to join the cue .

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The fact that the very people that are supposed to enact the will of the electorate have done everything they can to stop the result of the referendum from happening. Just wrong, and pointing out that the result was not legally binding is just semantics.

I suppose you'd consider that pointing out that I don't have pendulous tits because I'm a bloke is also semantics

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I couldn't resist unblocking you momentarily to see if there might be comedy gold .

Thanks for not letting me down .

As far as my unblocking you again , you'll just have to join the cue .

Evening H ,you"re just like a merecat popping their head out of a hole ,dont leave it so long next time
Regards
DF

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I just don't understand how people can say:-

'Yep, they get my vote'

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The reason is congenital thundercuntery.

Gove has the sort of face that belongs behind bars.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I couldn't resist unblocking you momentarily to see if there might be comedy gold .

Thanks for not letting me down .

As far as my unblocking you again , you'll just have to join the cue .

Evening H ,you're just like a meerkat popping their head out of a hole ,dont leave it so long next time
Regards
DF

 

[lawros left foot]

But the Lib Dems, Greens and SNP state clearly that they would revoke Article 50 by an emailed letter on day one.

Why on earth hasn’t Corbyn (or the Labour hierarchy) got the balls to say the same?

Why would the Corbynista’s who adore the EU in this thread not demand that he does that, and be thoroughly pissed off that he won’t commit to that?

BECAUSE CORBYN AND HIS NSC FAN-BOYS ARE PAYING PETTY PARTY POLITICS FIRST AND FOREMOST. PLAYING A GAME NOT IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST, OF NOT PUTTING OUR FULL MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU OF A DUPLICITOUS APPROACH OF PRETENDING TO BE REMAIN TO SOME CONSTITUENCIES AND BREXIT TO OTHERS.

You’ve relentlessly told us tor 4 years that continued full EU membership is the issue of our times, then allow your hero to not make it the issue of our times by guaranteeing the revocation of Article 50.

Labour/Corbyn furtiveness.

Whilst full marks to Sturgeon, Lucas and Swinson, for having integrity and honesty.

Good rant , capital letters as well.
Labour have never stated that they would revoke article 50, without a second referendum. The policy is not difficult to understand. Labour get elected, within 3 months, they negotiated a new , improved deal with the EU, protecting workers rights, and remaining in the customs union, therefore saving British jobs. This new deal is then put to a new referendum, alongside remain, and obviously, the result would then dictate future policy.

My own personal choice would be revoke, as you pointed out, but, I also know that fair few Labour voters, maybe not members are leavers, as a broad church the leadership has to respect this, so the compromise of Corbyn stance is, as I said eminently sensible for the Labour Party.
By the way the yellow Tories stated policy until recently, was a people’s vote. They changed it to take up the revoke vote, as they would struggle to stand out on Europe from Labour. The SNP are not a UK wide party, and the Greens had one MP until the break up of Parliament, so, basically they can say whatever they like, they will not form a Government this time round.
It’s easy to have integrity and honesty when nothing realistically is riding on it.

 

[beorhthelm]

Corbyn's view is simple and I cannot believe so many people cannot see it.

Remain in the Custom's Union.

he would do well to simply say that, without any other nonsense.

 

[Weststander]

Good rant , capital letters as well.
Labour have never stated that they would revoke article 50, without a second referendum. The policy is not difficult to understand. Labour get elected, within 3 months, they negotiated a new , improved deal with the EU, protecting workers rights, and remaining in the customs union, therefore saving British jobs. This new deal is then put to a new referendum, alongside remain, and obviously, the result would then dictate future policy.

My own personal choice would be revoke, as you pointed out, but, I also know that fair few Labour voters, maybe not members are leavers, as a broad church the leadership has to respect this, so the compromise of Corbyn stance is, as I said eminently sensible for the Labour Party.
By the way the yellow Tories stated policy until recently, was a people’s vote. They changed it to take up the revoke vote, as they would struggle to stand out on Europe from Labour. The SNP are not a UK wide party, and the Greens had one MP until the break up of Parliament, so, basically they can say whatever they like, they will not form a Government this time round.
It’s easy to have integrity and honesty when nothing realistically is riding on it.

I vote Green, I voted Remain. Consistent.

You adore lifelong anti EU Corbyn who won’t guarantee revocation of Article 50. You’re made it plain you’re devoutly pro Remain, the issue of our times. Contradictions, double standards, irrational thinking. Why not abandon Corbyn, stop supporting the hypocrite and throw your weight behind the LibDems and Greens. They’d give you everything you want instantly and are every but as socially conscious as Labour.

Are you sure you’re not stuck in an intransigent class war where it’s Corbyn or nothing? He offers nothing the Greens don’t, but with an anti EU heart.

 

[Surrey Phil]

Two things.

To be fair to Johnson and the Tories, they have to lie, because nobody would vote for them otherwise.

Corbyn won’t declare which option he will endorse, if he gets the chance to negotiate a new deal, because, and here’s the sensible bit, he doesn’t yet know what deal he can get out of the EU. Why he didn’t make this point last night, I fail to understand.
It would have shut his critics up, and it appears eminently sensible.

I’m almost wishing Labour win, just to see what magical, mythical new deal Jezza will force the EU to succumb to. I wonder if Labour supporters really believe the EU will cave in to Jezza’s demands?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’m almost wishing Labour win, just to see what magical, mythical new deal Jezza will force the EU to succumb to. I wonder if Labour supporters really believe the EU will cave in to Jezza’s demands?

The plan is to negotiate a different deal (which we probably won't even get) then present it without enthusiasm to the electorate in a 'do you want this bollocks, or shall we just remain' in-out referendum. And then we exhale and move on into the real uplands that may or may not be sunny.

Jezza can't admit this now, because this is still about who can get the better deal, Boris and his unworkable but brilliant nonsense that is ready to fly off the shelf (like a badly stored ash tray), or Jezza and his brilliant but as yet nonexistant nonsense that he is about as bothered about as I am bothered about the state of Droopy Rectum's rectum.

There are better reasons for voting against the tories in the GE, though. Mostly centred around the fact that it will be a national disgrace to elect a proven liar, adulterer, racist, shameless self-server and glove puppet of an alcoholic (called Damien) as PM.

 

[Two Professors]

134 million active daily users on Twitter. Does that mean there are 134 millions twats in the world?

See,you can talk sense if you try.Perhaps not every Twitter is a ****,just most of them!

 

[Grombleton]

Bang on queue , you're another one that will be crying into their cornflakes
Regards
DF

Some of us have to go to work, so no time for cornflakes in the morning. Try it sometime.

 

[lawros left foot]

I vote Green, I voted Remain. Consistent.

You adore lifelong anti EU Corbyn who won’t guarantee revocation of Article 50. You’re made it plain you’re devoutly pro Remain, the issue of our times. Contradictions, double standards, irrational thinking. Why not abandon Corbyn, stop supporting the hypocrite and throw your weight behind the LibDems and Greens. They’d give you everything you want instantly and are every but as socially conscious as Labour.l

Are you sure you’re not stuck in an intransigent class war where it’s Corbyn or nothing? He offers nothing the Greens don’t, but with an anti EU heart.

I’m a lifelong socialist.

I have supported the Labour Party for the majority of elections since I became eligible to vote, I have held my nose and voted for Callaghan, Kinnock, and Blair(although I drew the line in Blair’s last election, and voted LD because of Iraq) Apart from Foot, Corbyn is the leader that I feel most empathy with, a decent man, perhaps too decent for politics, and policies I have waited my whole life to see endorsed by a truly socialist party.
I am also a realist, and I can see that leaving the world’s largest trading block without a deal,would be akin to fiscal suicide, and even if we could get a good deal it would be nowhere near as good as the one we’ve got at the moment.

I do disagree with Corbyn on Europe, but, I agree with him on every other issue facing our country at this time. I couldn’t vote LD ever again after they enabled Cameron’s governments cruel and uneccessary austerity programme. The Greens, although their heart is in the right place, have no chance atm, of forming a government, or even a major player in a coalition. The main thing for this election, is keeping the Tories out, achieve that and we won’t leave Europe, the NHS won’t be flogged off to American pharma and insurance companies,
That should be every left of centre, and centrists goal, it is the only game in town at this election.

Hopefully, neither of us will have wasted votes this time.

 

[lawros left foot]

I’m almost wishing Labour win, just to see what magical, mythical new deal Jezza will force the EU to succumb to. I wonder if Labour supporters really believe the EU will cave in to Jezza’s demands?

Corbyn ( or Starma) could come back with a customs union deal, as this would be the EUs choice if we have to leave. There are rumours that Labour has already sounded out the EU on this, and haven’t been knocked back.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’m a lifelong socialist.

I have supported the Labour Party for the majority of elections since I became eligible to vote, I have held my nose and voted for Callaghan, Kinnock, and Blair(although I drew the line in Blair’s last election, and voted LD because of Iraq) Apart from Foot, Corbyn is the leader that I feel most empathy with, a decent man, perhaps too decent for politics, and policies I have waited my whole life to see endorsed by a truly socialist party.
I am also a realist, and I can see that leaving the world’s largest trading block without a deal,would be akin to fiscal suicide, and even if we could get a good deal it would be nowhere near as good as the one we’ve got at the moment.

I do disagree with Corbyn on Europe, but, I agree with him on every other issue facing our country at this time. I couldn’t vote LD ever again after they enabled Cameron’s governments cruel and uneccessary austerity programme. The Greens, although their heart is in the right place, have no chance atm, of forming a government, or even a major player in a coalition. The main thing for this election, is keeping the Tories out, achieve that and we won’t leave Europe, the NHS won’t be flogged off to American pharma and insurance companies,
That should be every left of centre, and centrists goal, it is the only game in town at this election.

Hopefully, neither of us will have wasted votes this time.

Brilliant post.

The insults heaped on Corbyn's head are increasingly silly. His judgement talking to the IRA 35 years ago? probably less dishonourable than 'Hang Nelson Mandela' Johnson. Certainly not childish, petulant and racist. And Boris hasn't changed in the slightest.

So, yes, the main thing now is to keep Boris out. With labour second in my constituency in the last GE, and only labour capable of beating Boris across the line nationally, (and because I am slowly warming to him), I'm also in camp Corbyn

That said, Westy voting green in his constutuency makes eminent sense.

And I can forgive the libs for clinging to Cameron's thigh in order to get into the boat of government way back when. It had been a long time for them. I'd have voted lib now if they had been the second place team in my constituency. But they aren't.

 

[Weststander]

The plan is to negotiate a different deal (which we probably won't even get) then present it without enthusiasm to the electorate in a 'do you want this bollocks, or shall we just remain' in-out referendum. And then we exhale and move on into the real uplands that may or may not be sunny.

Jezza can't admit this now, because this is still about who can get the better deal, Boris and his unworkable but brilliant nonsense that is ready to fly off the shelf (like a badly stored ash tray), or Jezza and his brilliant but as yet nonexistant nonsense that he is about as bothered about as I am bothered about the state of Droopy Rectum's rectum.

There are better reasons for voting against the tories in the GE, though. Mostly centred around the fact that it will be a national disgrace to elect a proven liar, adulterer, racist, shameless self-server and glove puppet of an alcoholic (called Damien) as PM.

Joining in with a well spoken cliche, both were inadequate last night. I’m not basing that on spiteful and frivolous issues such as spectacles or stuttering. Just that both lacked the gravitas, focus, natural intelligence, a particular set of skills (Liam Neeson) to run a huge enterprise, the UK.

Corbyn is great at mini Nuremberg style rallies to 100% non-dissenters, every sentence carefully crafted to bring wild hooping. Johnson is great at school or uni debating, with a waffling charm and asides. No way good enough to be a focused PM, with the guts to remove incompetent pals from ministerial roles.

People will hate me for saying this, but Wilson, Thatcher, Blair and Cameron had that. The other PM’s in between all had clear limitations.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Joining in with a well spoken cliche, both were inadequate last night. I’m not basing that on spiteful and frivolous issues such as spectacles or stuttering. Just that both lacked the gravitas, focus, natural intelligence, a particular set of skills (Liam Neeson) to run a huge enterprise, the UK.

Corbyn is great at mini Nuremberg style rallies to 100% non-dissenters, every sentence carefully crafted to bring wild hooping. Johnson is great at school or uni debating, with a waffling charm and asides. No way good enough to be a focused PM, with the guts to remove incompetent pals from ministerial roles.

People will hate me for saying this, but Wilson, Thatcher, Blair and Cameron had that. The other PM’s in between all had clear limitations.

Wilson, Heath, Thatcher, Blair for me

 

[Bodian]

I’m almost wishing Labour win, just to see what magical, mythical new deal Jezza will force the EU to succumb to. I wonder if Labour supporters really believe the EU will cave in to Jezza’s demands?

Eh? Have you not followed the Brexit saga? What Labour are proposing is precisely along the lines that the EU would accept - close ties, customs union, etc. He wouldn't have to 'force them to succumb' to anything. They'd rather we didn't leave, but if we are going to, then they'd rather we left on the softer terms Labour are suggesting. They wouldn't be 'caving in' to any 'demands'.