[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Ernest]

Sounds to me like he actually had no confidence in over half of the assorted nutjobs, bellends, racists, conspiracy theorists and general wankpuffins he was putting forward as candidates.

I'm not sure, however, that it makes more sense. 317 is not a majority and there is now a risk of a semi-competant Brexiteer splitting the right wing vote in Labour held marginals.

Still, just goes to show you can't trust a single word that Farage says.

Nice little earner from all the £100's they have taken from people who wished to stand as Brexit Party candidates as well

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Look on the bright side Fareham, Labour will once again become electable.

That may well be true. But it belies a greater truth, that Britain is institutionally unable to elect a left of centre government, one that promotes big spending in public services, renationalisation of railways and utilities, greater income equality and so on. All of these policies are popular, as proven time and again, but they cannot be enacted because of the apparent media stranglehold, placed on any version of Labour promoting these policies, as radical far-left Marxists.

Examples of such popular policies are here https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...remy-corbyn-s-labour-party-are-onto-something, accompanied by an editorial style that brands them as the most radical left-wing party ever to take power - which might be a complete nonsense but is just passed off as fact.

We get Tories or we get Tory-lite Labour. And the people who stand most to gain from a Labour government will find themselves voting for Brexit or Tories because, well, people. Politics is a game and people choose which team they want to support.

 

[beorhthelm]

im wondering if Brexit Party can get enough candidates of any standard. we'll all have differences on the views of many politicans, at least those standing for Conservative, Labour, Liberals will be committed to doing something in parliament and gone through some selection process. Brexit candidates are just doing it for vanity.

 

[The Rivet]

im wondering if Brexit Party can get enough candidates of any standard. we'll all have differences on the views of many politicans, at least those standing for Conservative, Labour, Liberals will be committed to doing something in parliament and gone through some selection process. Brexit candidates are just doing it for vanity.

Looks like the Brexit party have just delivered a massive majority for the tories. Have a nice day......

 

[beorhthelm]

Looks like the Brexit party have just delivered a massive majority for the tories. Have a nice day......

the move probably wins conservatives a handful of tight seats. i still expect a hung parliament, depends on the manifestos and their presentation once the real campaign gets going.

 

[Diablo]

25% of people on here ...voting for Jeremy Corbyn !

 

[A1X]

Nice little earner from all the £100's they have taken from people who wished to stand as Brexit Party candidates as well

Plus given their current polling they now no longer stand to lose their deposits in a number of seats.

 

[BensGrandad]

Hopefully that should stop Corbyn, Swinson, and Sturgeon. having any impact and Boris will be able to do what he set out to do before Parliament stopped him by having a reasonable majority in the house.

 

[A1X]

Looks like the Brexit party have just delivered a massive majority for the tories. Have a nice day......

Not convinced. He might have helped them win 317 seats they already held (noting of course that this will include some such as Guildford which are now marginals because of the whole kicked out Tory thing), but as we know 317 is not a majority. It does nothing for the Tory target seats such as Workington, Stoke etc., and both Labour and the Lib Dems can now legitimately point to Farage and say he's a Tory stooge. Which will make it harder for many tribal Labour voters to vote Brexit Party in those seats.

 

[The Rivet]

Not convinced. He might have helped them win 317 seats they already held (noting of course that this will include some such as Guildford which are now marginals because of the whole kicked out Tory thing), but as we know 317 is not a majority. It does nothing for the Tory target seats such as Workington, Stoke etc., and both Labour and the Lib Dems can now legitimately point to Farage and say he's a Tory stooge. Which will make it harder for many tribal Labour voters to vote Brexit Party in those seats.

Not worried at all that you are not convinced.

 

[beorhthelm]

That may well be true. But it belies a greater truth, that Britain is institutionally unable to elect a left of centre government, one that promotes big spending in public services, renationalisation of railways and utilities, greater income equality and so on. All of these policies are popular, as proven time and again, but they cannot be enacted because of the apparent media stranglehold, placed on any version of Labour promoting these policies, as radical far-left Marxists.

Examples of such popular policies are here https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...remy-corbyn-s-labour-party-are-onto-something, accompanied by an editorial style that brands them as the most radical left-wing party ever to take power - which might be a complete nonsense but is just passed off as fact.

We get Tories or we get Tory-lite Labour. And the people who stand most to gain from a Labour government will find themselves voting for Brexit or Tories because, well, people. Politics is a game and people choose which team they want to support.

i always wonder what people think will be achieved by nationalisation. it seems largely ideological or based on misconceptions. rail wont be cheaper unless heavily subsidised and tracks were already nationalised; utilities have had large investments over the years that government would have to fund; we'd still have to pay for taxes, levies and higher costs of de-carbonised energy. the focus is made on profits (about 3-5%) going to shareholders, overlooking the main shareholders are our pension funds. im sure there are sensible arguments for some re-nationalisation, they dont get made often.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Not convinced. He might have helped them win 317 seats they already held (noting of course that this will include some such as Guildford which are now marginals because of the whole kicked out Tory thing), but as we know 317 is not a majority. It does nothing for the Tory target seats such as Workington, Stoke etc., and both Labour and the Lib Dems can now legitimately point to Farage and say he's a Tory stooge. Which will make it harder for many tribal Labour voters to vote Brexit Party in those seats.

It may backfire and force Labour and the Lib Dems to agree to stand down candidates in marginal seats, similar the arrangement the Lib Dems, Plaid Greens and SNP already have.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The actual headline quote was 'Nigel Farage should withdraw his Brexit Party candidates from the election or risk seeing the cause to which he has devoted his career end in failure'.
The only reason I suggest you are keen to see the Brexit Party stand against the Conservatives is so that they take a number of votes away from them and possibly deny Johnson a majority which could result in Brexit not happening.
Nothing wrong in that, but why not just be honest about it instead of calling it patronising garbage?
P.S.I voted Remain.

There's a bit of the bleedin' obvious going on here. Read my post again. It specifically queried why the Brexit Party were standing in a Tory-held seat when the only beneficiary was likely to be the LibDems, an outcome I made clear I welcomed. Where's the dishonesty?

And I stand by my charge of patronising garbage - The Times was effectively saying that supporters of a hard Brexit won't have the wit to vote tactically in Tory-held seats and so, just to be on the safe side, should have their ideal choice removed from them altogether.

 

[Bakero]

i always wonder what people think will be achieved by nationalisation. it seems largely ideological or based on misconceptions. rail wont be cheaper unless heavily subsidised and tracks were already nationalised; utilities have had large investments over the years that government would have to fund; we'd still have to pay for taxes, levies and higher costs of de-carbonised energy. the focus is made on profits (about 3-5%) going to shareholders, overlooking the main shareholders are our pension funds. im sure there are sensible arguments for some re-nationalisation, they dont get made often.

The simple fact is rail travel in Britain is expensive, trains are overcrowded and cancellations are not uncommon. It seems perfectly natural that UK citizens look enviously at the service provided by governments on the continent. Just to rub it in we let foreign government-owned operators run some of our services so our over-priced fares subsidise the journeys of French, German and Italian citizens.

 

[shingle]

It may backfire and force Labour and the Lib Dems to agree to stand down candidates in marginal seats, similar the arrangement the Lib Dems, Plaid Greens and SNP already have.

Do you really think that that's a possibility ? IMO there's no way that Swinson would enter into any agreement with Corbyn, for a start their Brexit views don't align, and she's much more electable to the voters.

 

[lawros left foot]

Looks like the Brexit party have just delivered a massive majority for the tories. Have a nice day......

Yep, it will give Johnson the majority he needs to finish the job of completely screwing the country up.

I fear for us non- millionaires now.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Do you really think that that's a possibility ? IMO there's no way that Swinson would enter into any agreement with Corbyn, for a start their Brexit views don't align, and she's much more electable to the voters.

I think it could happen, but both parties would need to grow up and stop squabbling. It's a shame Labour don't have a more obviously Pro-Remain leader though (from my perspective).

 

[Pinkie Brown]

Arundel & South Downs Cons are in the process of choosing a replacement for Nick Herbert. One of the candidates Ruth Porter, was a SPAD for both Chris Grayling & Liz Truss. What a record to have on your CV....

 

[BensGrandad]

I noticed that the next MP for Mid Sussex Mimie Davies is a leave supporter.

 

[Pinkie Brown]

I noticed that the next MP for Mid Sussex Mimie Davies is a leave supporter.

Who has taken the cowards run from Eastleigh to a safer seat. A pattern for that seat. Soames done the same in 1997 when it was nailed on he would lose Crawley.