[Politics] The General Election Thread

[nicko31]

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1194347121639596032?s=09

Johnson twice refuses to rule out further privatisation of our NHS.

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Nige pulling the strings, he all know what he wants

 

[nicko31]

I'm not going back more than 1 page, so forgive the probable 'fixtures':-

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A masterpiece..

 

[Hugo Rune]

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1194347121639596032?s=09

Johnson twice refuses to rule out further privatisation of our NHS.



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‘Free at the point use’. Yes, free to use the NHS but not free to have the drugs!

I believe Boris will not charge for NHS consultations, operations, procedures etc but by hell we’ll be paying for our prescriptions and drugs very soon if the Tories win the election. Javid is saying that every household will pay 2k plus for Labour’s spending plan when actually they’ll be paying £2k plus for health insurance to buy pharmaceuticals and probably another £2k Brexit cost as we plunge into recession next year.

 

[theonlymikey]

‘Free at the point use’. Yes, free to use the NHS but not free to have the drugs!

I believe Boris will not charge for NHS consultations, operations, procedures etc but by hell we’ll be paying for our prescriptions and drugs very soon if the Tories win the election. Javid is saying that every household will pay 2k plus for Labour’s spending plan when actually they’ll be paying £2k plus for health insurance to buy pharmaceuticals and probably another £2k Brexit cost as we plunge into recession next year.

"Free at the point of use" does nothing to dismiss the claims from Labour that the Tories will pay a ton of our tax payers money to over priced US medicines.

Shafted. Sell out deal.

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[nicko31]

Alternatively.....

UK employment takes biggest tumble in four years

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ment-in-uk-takes-biggest-tumble-in-four-years

0.1% growth in the last 6 months, rising deficit, investment continuing to drain away and both main parties want to go on spending spree

We voted Brexit in 2016, best start getting used to reality. Almost all of us will be poorer

 

[JC Footy Genius]

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I'm off out to dinner. I'm seriously worried that the level of stupidity being shown by some on this thread may be infectious

Why have you posted a picture of a five-pound note in response to someone asking when we used our veto?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Labour and the Lim Dems are going to screw this up, aren't they?

Probably

 

[JC Footy Genius]

just seen Conservative political braodcast. big issue of the day is delivery of Thai curry to Downing St. pray for Boris.

Gripping, tense viewing .... how he didn't spill that cup of tea

 

[beorhthelm]

"Free at the point of use" does nothing to dismiss the claims from Labour that the Tories will pay a ton of our tax payers money to over priced US medicines.

you're accepting a false story, based on TV program misrepresation of a "maybe" scenario. the number is based on list prices that even in US they dont pay, we dont buy all drugs from US, and have different regulation on biosimilars. at the outside it would mean an end for NICE blocking expensive treatments above their threshold.

 

[beorhthelm]

Gripping, tense viewing .... how he didn't spill that cup of tea

in this house we were too concerned about the tea to hear anything in the last minute or so.

 

[theonlymikey]

you're accepting a false story, based on TV program misrepresation of a "maybe" scenario. the number is based on list prices that even in US they dont pay, we dont buy all drugs from US, and have different regulation on biosimilars. at the outside it would mean an end for NICE blocking expensive treatments above their threshold.

Channel 4 aired an edition of the documentary series Dispatches last week called*Trump’s Plan for the NHS*(Dispatches and Channel 4 News are made by different producers).

The*programme*quoted a source familiar with initial talks between US and UK officials as saying that “drug pricing” had been discussed in six meetings, adding: “Precise details of what has been discussed has been kept strictly confidential.”

There have been five other undeclared meetings between senior British civil servants and representatives of American pharmaceutical companies, with “price caps” on medicines discussed in at least one meeting, Dispatches reported.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...e-conservatives-send-trump-500-million-a-week

Dr Hill writes: “We can thus crudely estimate that if prices of medicines in the UK were equal to prices in the US, NHS England pharmaceutical expenditures in 2017/18 would have been an additional £27 billion annually or about £519 million per week.”

So “£500m a week” is the extra amount the NHS might have to pay if, hypothetically, it suddenly had to start paying American prices for all the drugs it buys.


It's not a false story. Its a true story you choose to disbelieve.

Our esteemed leader has failed us, and will continue to fail us.

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[beorhthelm]

...The*programme*quoted a source familiar with initial talks between US and UK officials as saying that “drug pricing” had been discussed in six meetings, adding: “Precise details of what has been discussed has been kept strictly confidential.”

the original source states "Whilea US-UK trade agreement is being discussed by the respective governments, draft text is not available at present.". they have no access to any negotiations (which are unconfirmed). its guess work and extroplation, comparing different markets. biggest gap is the US number includes all drugs, private, over the counter, result of marketing, while UK is NHS number exluding these and effectivly no marketing. and this point alone refutes the claims, we do not buy all our drugs from US pharma companies - so how would we be forced to US prices?

 

[Hugo Rune]

the original source states "Whilea US-UK trade agreement is being discussed by the respective governments, draft text is not available at present.". they have no access to any negotiations (which are unconfirmed). its guess work and extroplation, comparing different markets. biggest gap is the US number includes all drugs, private, over the counter, result of marketing, while UK is NHS number exluding these and effectivly no marketing. and this point alone refutes the claims, we do not buy all our drugs from US pharma companies - so how would we be forced to US prices?

From memory, the programme stated that the NHS spends around £18bn on pharmaceuticals. The ‘US market rate’ was about £46bn.

Clearly, Trump wants in on this market. We might not end up spending £46bn on drugs from the U.S. but it’s certainly clear to me that the Tories will have to open this market up to the U.S. in order to get a post Brexit trade deal (which would take years & years to agree) by forcing the 207 clinical commissioning groups, 135 acute non-specialist trusts (including 84 foundation trusts) & 17 acute specialist trusts (including 16 foundation trusts) to negotiate their own deals for pharmaceuticals and make patients pay for them via private healthcare insurance. Sure they’ll source the drugs from all around the world but at market prices rather than the bulk discounts the NHS get that make Trump so incredibly angry about. Listen very very carefully to Boris’ wording on these issues, he is leaving the door very open to all this.

 

[beorhthelm]

From memory, the programme stated that the NHS spends around £18bn on pharmaceuticals. The ‘US market rate’ was about £46bn.

the markets are not comparable. we dont commercialise drugs, generics are given over brands, biosimilars arent regulated the same.
may be a trade deal will have add on legislation to change NHS procurement, drug regulations, introduce private healthcare, just to ensure we can spend more. vote winner.
or we could accept the story was based on dubious information and speculation.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Why have you posted a picture of a five-pound note in response to someone asking when we used our veto?

Because he doesn't understand that we didn't actually use our veto to stay out of the Euro. For someone that thinks he's such an expert he does show rather a lot of simpleton tendencies.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Maybe because all the leavers can't answer the question. They give back the stock answers, take back control, make our own laws, control our borders, blah blah blah. Ask them what laws the EU have brought in that they don't like, they generally can't name one. Tell them we are a sovereign nation and we have a veto on laws we don't like and they look bewildered.

We don't have a veto on all laws we don't like though.

For regulations, rules and laws relating to the EEA we have no choice if we lose a Qualified Majority Vote.

A country like Norway, on the other hand, which even Farage now admits is outside the EU, does have the right not to apply these laws - in fact they would only got as far as EU voting if the EFTA states had genuinely consented to them earlier in the process.

My favourite twitter thread :

https://twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1073867169723756544?s=19

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Christ on a bike:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50394735

Anti-Brexit campaigner Steve Bray is to stand for Parliament for the Lib Dems.

The activist is a familiar figure in Westminster where he regularly bellows his 'Stop Brexit' message through a megaphone outside the House of Commons.

He has been selected to fight the seat of Cynon Valley in south Wales. It has been held by Labour for more than 30 years but its longstanding MP Ann Clwyd has retired and is not standing again.

The Lib Dems have vowed to cancel Brexit if they win power.

The party's leader Jo Swinson dismissed suggestions Mr Bray's candidacy was a stunt, saying the Lib Dems needed people prepared to put themselves on the line to stop the UK leaving the EU.

"He cannot be accused of not being committed to his cause," she said. "To have candidates who care so passionately about that is a positive."

Pathetic person running for a pathetic party, reap what you sow
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Because he doesn't understand that we didn't actually use our veto to stay out of the Euro. For someone that thinks he's such an expert he does show rather a lot of simpleton tendencies.

Smug at best , arrogant at worse
Regards
DF

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Alternatively.....

UK employment takes biggest tumble in four years

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ment-in-uk-takes-biggest-tumble-in-four-years

Alternatively.......

 

[Bold Seagull]

The biggest difference being how you quantify zero hour contracts.

You're employed...but they haven't given me any hours this week...