[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Pretty pink fairy]

You seem to be using the word "deluded" quite a lot on these threads. Do you actually know what it means? Only, it's quite clear I'm not remotely deluded because I've just patronisingly explained to you why you're so thick and don't understand the meaning of the word "democracy". Please don't make me explain to you the word "deluded" too.

You haven't explained anything to me just pie in the sky assumptions to give the lib dems some credibility, as I said a laughing stock of a party masquerading under a democratic banner , totally unelectable seem to attract turn coats from other partys they'll reap what they sow trust me
Regards
DF

 

[The Rivet]

It's the amount of lying and lack of scrutiny the current crop of Tories enjoy that gets me, and this is largely down to a stubborn electorate, too unreasonable to look at the questions their conduct raises. The economy barely avoids a recession with the lowest growth in years, and Matt Hancock pronounces that it is booming. Or the talk that recession is over and that the Tories are putting 20,000 plod on the streets, ignoring the fact they cut them in the first place. Or that apparently Labour's spending is going to run into trillions but we can't talk about Tory spending plans because the same Tory says he doesn't want "to go bandying number around", and the less said about JRM and his Grenfell comments the better - never mind the absolute tool in the Tory party who then backed him up.

They are absolutely full of shit, but there are just so many moronic PPF simpletons to ensure that they don't need to be accountable - they can do what they want because they're delivering Brexit.

Luckily, it really is hard to imagine the utter chaos we'd have endured under Ed Milliband. Thank the LORD that the entitled ruling class in the Conservatives have done such a magnificent job by simply pointing out how terrible Milliband and then Corbyn would be.

........take a chill pill. You will still feel wretched come 13th Dec! Happy Xmas.....x..........

 

[BensGrandad]

My hope is an overall Tory majority with Labour and Lib Dems fighting over 2nd place but well behind the Tories.

 

[melias shoes]

https://news.sky.com/story/general-...enjoy-14-point-lead-over-labour-poll-11860021

 

[Wardy's twin]

Fortunately we will be out of the EU,not Europe,as their economy (Germany) is well and truly fkt!

What are the TANGIBLE benefits of leaving, you are a strong supporter of leaving so you must be able to quickly knock out 5 bullet points as to why the British people will be better off out rather than in the EU. I would just like some reassurance we are headed in the right direction.

 

[The Rivet]

What are the TANGIBLE benefits of leaving, you are a strong supporter of leaving so you must be able to quickly knock out 5 bullet points as to why the British people will be better off out rather than in the EU. I would just like some reassurance we are headed in the right direction.

Why don't you try research of your own on pro leave sites? These sort of questions by remainers feels like talking to mirrors, always reflecting and redirecting, instead of looking for their own answers.

 

[drew]

Corbyn got a huge vote share in 2017. He's only been leader since just before the referendum where politics has fractured and the anti-austerity message lost in the noise of Brexit and partisan politics. Once he gets a bit of fair air time, the message tends to resonate with people. His great battle is turning the focus away from Brexit, that battle can be settled either way with Labour, but their are more important things to consider.

If the Tories win and deliver a bad brexit (which of course any brexit will be bad) the only person to blame will be Corbyn. His failure to be decisive about the labour position on brexit and his same dithering regarding the anti semitic element of his party is pretty much giving the Tories a free run. It mirrors the way that Hilary Clinton's stupidity with her emails played into the hands of the Republicans allowing a moron like Trump to sneak in.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What are the TANGIBLE benefits of leaving, you are a strong supporter of leaving so you must be able to quickly knock out 5 bullet points as to why the British people will be better off out rather than in the EU. I would just like some reassurance we are headed in the right direction.

Border control and the end of free movement and undercutting of wages , free to trade elsewhere , no more money to the EU ,stronger pound , Growth of the economy, what's not to like
Regards
DF

 

[drew]

Why don't you try research of your own on pro leave sites? These sort of questions by remainers feels like talking to mirrors, always reflecting and redirecting, instead of looking for their own answers.

Maybe because all the leavers can't answer the question. They give back the stock answers, take back control, make our own laws, control our borders, blah blah blah. Ask them what laws the EU have brought in that they don't like, they generally can't name one. Tell them we are a sovereign nation and we have a veto on laws we don't like and they look bewildered.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Maybe because all the leavers can't answer the question. They give back the stock answers, take back control, make our own laws, control our borders, blah blah blah. Ask them what laws the EU have brought in that they don't like, they generally can't name one. Tell them we are a sovereign nation and we have a veto on laws we don't like and they look bewildered.

Have we used that veto ?

Regards
DF

 

[WATFORD zero]

Have we used that veto ?

Regards
DF

I'm off out to dinner. I'm seriously worried that the level of stupidity being shown by some on this thread may be infectious

 

[theonlymikey]

If the Tories win and deliver a bad brexit (which of course any brexit will be bad) the only person to blame will be Corbyn. His failure to be decisive about the labour position on brexit and his same dithering regarding the anti semitic element of his party is pretty much giving the Tories a free run. It mirrors the way that Hilary Clinton's stupidity with her emails played into the hands of the Republicans allowing a moron like Trump to sneak in.

Disagree. It would be the fault of thick fuchs not listening to what every man ,woman and dog who isn't a Tory has been saying all along ..

The information is there. But the papers these thick conts read don't print it. Oh well. Corbyns fault.



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[The Rivet]

Maybe because all the leavers can't answer the question. They give back the stock answers, take back control, make our own laws, control our borders, blah blah blah. Ask them what laws the EU have brought in that they don't like, they generally can't name one. Tell them we are a sovereign nation and we have a veto on laws we don't like and they look bewildered.

Leavers believe in these things and self governance. You disagree with that view. It's polorisation isn't it? You think leavers are to be belittled and leavers feel remainers need to be belittled. You will never agree a leave view and they the view you hold. All the arguments under the sun (and many vitrolic abuse posts) will not change that, will they?

 

[theonlymikey]

Oh and while were at it, the Boris Johnson way to avoid scrutiny continues as they will not be releasing their manifesto until 2 weeks before the GE.

Strong and stable.

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[The Rivet]

Disagree. It would be the fault of thick fuchs not listening to what every man ,woman and dog who isn't a Tory has been saying all along ..

The information is there. But the papers these thick conts read don't print it. Oh well. Corbyns fault.



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Not sure who you think you are to label others with that post. In fact most of your posts!

 

[theonlymikey]

Not sure who you think you are to label others with that post. In fact most of your posts!

If the shoe fits.

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[drew]

Border control and the end of free movement and undercutting of wages , free to trade elsewhere , no more money to the EU ,stronger pound , Growth of the economy, what's not to like
Regards
DF

Who says the pound will be stronger and the economy will grow faster out than if we were in the EU? So we are free to trade elsewhere, does that mean we will get better trade deals outside the EU then we could in it. Of those countries in the WTO, 58 have free trade agreements with the EU and another 47 have preferential access. So, we can do our own deals but there is no guarantee we are going to get the same or better terms than we have now. God help us when we try to negotiate with the US!!!!

 

[Stat Brother]

I'm not going back more than 1 page, so forgive the probable 'fixtures':-

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[drew]

Leavers believe in these things and self governance. You disagree with that view. It's polorisation isn't it? You think leavers are to be belittled and leavers feel remainers need to be belittled. You will never agree a leave view and they the view you hold. All the arguments under the sun (and many vitrolic abuse posts) will not change that, will they?

Just look at the response from PPF. Back it up with evidence of who is projecting growth etc and that might help but since day one it has been unicorns and blue passports.

 

[beorhthelm]

just seen Conservative political braodcast. big issue of the day is delivery of Thai curry to Downing St. pray for Boris.