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[Politics] The General Election Thread
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... only the terminally stupid would agree with you...
Yes, that sums it up perfectly.
My middle brother calls that 'poppycock'. He's a sort of angry version of jolly red giant
The idea that people who won't vote for Corbyn are stupid, and the fact we will have a Boris spaff-fest, is the fault of the stupid electrorate is....so....Victorian.
How many times do I have to tell a hard lefter (sorry, ordinary working socialist) that in any election you have to convince the skeptic as well as the devotee, to get the votes to win?
How many times has this to be reiterated before the hard lefter gets it into his hoity toity head that if the skeptics are not convinced it means the policies, or the presentation, or the cut of the leader's jib, or all three are to blame for electoral failure?
How many times (etc etc ... ) will they accept it is never the fault of the electorate when the vote is lost.
Win, FFS. Aim, shoot and win.
No hard lefter leader has ever come close in our national politics. He/she/they never will. Too much baggage, too much orthodoxy (needed, to be accepted as a True Socialist) that cannot be forsworn. Immutable baggage. To 'be there' as a leader of the hard left (sorry, True Socialism) means you had to get there and, like Corbyn and his life, the act of getting there automatically disqualifies you from becoming PM.
beorhthelm
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was that the tax cut that raised the revenue received?
yes, could have paid for a lot. its always about the spending, not about the policies for what might be needed. still, back to the total cuts, quite a small amount over the 9 years.
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midnight_rendezvous
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Meanwhile, our PM has said these wonderful things...
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1204869343131119618
Yes Jess Phillips is bloody fantastic, we could do with a lot more like her.
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Using the phrase 'lynch the bitch' seems terminally stupid and may just prove to be.
Can you defend it? Of course not.
McDonnell is a nasty f****r.
I really think that Mouldy Boots' silly, vacuous comments have done more to solidify the opposition than anyone on this thread other than the overtly racist DF/DR or whatever cryptic name he now uses.....
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Can't stand her.
I would like to put Phillips, Thornberry, Abbott and Lucas on a desert island for a month; it might neutralise their testosterone a bit.
Stupid comment.... and the daft comments (and bare-faced lies) of your heroes are legion - almost too many to enumerate, let alone quote.
Jolly Red Giant
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1. Lammy did not say 'calling them Nazis is not strong enough' about Tory MPs - he made that statement about the European Research Group (now Lammy is a pale pink pro-Eu neo-liberal Blairite - and his characterisation is false - but the quote is factually incorrect).
2. Neil Coyle did make this comment - but it has to be put into context - Morgan was making abusive comments about LP MPs and praising far-right figures ( and Coyle is another pale pink pro-Eu neo-liberal Blairite who hates Corbyn - and has been attacking him during the election campaign)
3. John McDonnell did not make this statement - he was recounting what someone else had said and he outlined that he was opposed to such comments.
4. Jess Phillips did make that comment - hardly surprising from another right-wing Blairite who hates Corbyn.
Now do you really want me to provide quotes from Boris Johnson - and other Tory candidates - racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, xenophobic and fascist adoration ?
Yes, that sums it up perfectly.
My middle brother calls that 'poppycock'. He's a sort of angry version of jolly red giant
The idea that people who won't vote for Corbyn are stupid, and the fact we will have a Boris spaff-fest, is the fault of the stupid electrorate is....so....Victorian.
How many times do I have to tell a hard lefter (sorry, ordinary working socialist) that in any election you have to convince the skeptic as well as the devotee, to get the votes to win?
How many times has this to be reiterated before the hard lefter gets it into his hoity toity head that if the skeptics are not convinced it means the policies, or the presentation, or the cut of the leader's jib, or all three are to blame for electoral failure?
How many times (etc etc ... ) will they accept it is never the fault of the electorate when the vote is lost.
Win, FFS. Aim, shoot and win.
No hard lefter leader has ever come close in our national politics. He/she/they never will. Too much baggage, too much orthodoxy (needed, to be accepted as a True Socialist) that cannot be forsworn. Immutable baggage. To 'be there' as a leader of the hard left (sorry, True Socialism) means you had to get there and, like Corbyn and his life, the act of getting there automatically disqualifies you from becoming PM.
There's rarely been a better post on this thread.
Firstly, Socialism does not sell. Not in its purest form. We are not all equal. We are born of different sexes and races, rich, poor, fat, thin, clever, stupid. Probably by the age of seven you can go in to a class and see there are spiv kids that will make money, geek kids that will go into tech or education, cool kids who'll do something in music, kids who are already drifing in to bad behaviour and then kids who may not be eating, may have a disability or illness, may be abused. The trick is to provide genuine assistance and safety for the vulnerable last group without stifling the creativity, geekiness, entreprenurial spirit and cleverness of the others. Pure socialism doesn't do that. Never has done and never will. It drags EVERYONE down to the bottom level. Or, as in Venezuela, it turns the whole country anarchic and the law of the jungle persists, which is a kind of Opposite Socialism.
So fundamentalism is a pretty hard sell and the British public won't stand for it. Never have done and never will. Labour's answer to being wiped out by Thatcher? Let's throw in a scruffy, elderly, bookish sort who'll get the hard left plan back on track. Whoops. So they kick out Foot and then what happens? A slow drift towards social democract begats Militant Tendency, Degsy swanning round Liverpool in expensed cabs, years of infighting, no government. John Smith finally comes along and looks like he'll sort out the party and the country and tragically dies but lighbulbs go on for the first time since Nineteen Effing Seventy Nine. Blair waters down a bit of the rhetoric. He also has a much feared and very effective press team (Campbell was the left's answer to Boris's Dom before Boris's Dom was drinking legally). And guess what? Massive election win and a first term that contained progressive policy after progressive policy.
So what do they do when it finally all ends? They put Corbyn in almost as a joke. An oversight. A last thought. To make it more FAIR. Socialism's biggest failing writ large. And he turns the whole party back to 1983 all over again just as the Tories lurch to the right of Thatcher. And STILL there are people complainng that Labour is not Socialist enough
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Typical personal, misogynistic comment that you get from the Brexit Party finishing school. The politics of hate and shameful....
vegster
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My Income Tax has decreased year on year, thanks to an annual increase in Personal Allowance combined with wage stagnation. I would love to contribute more tax to society but I can't unless I get more earnings!
Who will be paying for this misogynist fantasy, you or the taxpayers?
A month of comtemplation and then they return re-invigorated, are you sure this is going to work for you?
There's rarely been a better post on this thread.
Firstly, Socialism does not sell. Not in its purest form. We are not all equal. We are born of different sexes and races, rich, poor, fat, thin, clever, stupid. Probably by the age of seven you can go in to a class and see there are spiv kids that will make money, geek kids that will go into tech or education, cool kids who'll do something in music, kids who are already drifing in to bad behaviour and then kids who may not be eating, may have a disability or illness, may be abused. The trick is to provide genuine assistance and safety for the vulnerable last group without stifling the creativity, geekiness, entreprenurial spirit and cleverness of the others. Pure socialism doesn't do that. Never has done and never will. It drags EVERYONE down to the bottom level. Or, as in Venezula, it turns the whole country anarchic and the law of the jungle persists, which is a kind of Opposite Socialism.
So fundamentalism is a pretty hard sell and the British public won't stand for it. Never have done and never will. Labour's answer to being wiped out by Thatcher? Let's throw in a scruffy, elderly, bookish sort who'll get the hard left plan back on track. Whoops. So they kick out Foot and then what happens? A slow drift towards social democract begats Militant Tendency, Degsy swanning round Liverpool in expensed cabs, years of infighting, no government. John Smith finally comes along and looks like he'll sort out the party and the country and tragically dies but lighbulbs go on for the first time since Nineteen Effing Seventy Nine. Blair waters down a bit of the rhetoric. He also has a much feared and very effective press team (Campell was the left's answer to Boris's Dom before Boris's Dom was drinking legally). And guess what? Massive election win and a first term that contained progressive policy after progressive policy.
So what do they do when it finally all ends? They put Corbyn in almost as a joke. An oversight. A last thought. To make it more FAIR. Socialism's biggest failing writ large. And he turns the whole party back to 1983 all over again just as the Tories lurch to the right of Thatcher. And STILL there are people complainng that Labour is not Socialist enough
Quite.
The only thing I'm unsure about is whether it is that we get the governments we deserve or that governments get the electorate they deserve.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Quite.
The only thing I'm unsure about is whether it is that we get the governments we deserve or that governments get the electorate they deserve.
Not a million miles from Greg Lake in 'I Believe in Father Christmas'.... The Christmas we get we deserve.
Maybe, maybe not....
The poor, homeless and vulnerable don't deserve Johnson and his mendacious crew - and it is easy to forget they are part of 'we'.
Yep, that's it. It's definitely the fault of all those selfish barstards, and in no way the fault of Labour for not offering an alternative that people can stomach.