[Politics] The General Election Thread

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[Lever]

We held a referendum to stay in the EC not to join. 40 odd years between referendums seem to better fit the definition of 'once in a lifetime/generation' than 4 or 5 years. Happy for another one in 2060!

.....and according to your simplistic logic the majority who are unhappy with the form of Brexit we get should go .... themselves until then

 

[Bold Seagull]

We held a referendum to stay in the EC not to join. 40 odd years between referendums seem to better fit the definition of 'once in a lifetime/generation' than 4 or 5 years. Happy for another one in 2060!

Yes of course, how nice of you to slide rule a pass in to remind everyone than we joined the EC under a Tory government WITHOUT a referendum at all, and actually it was the Labour government that gave the people the choice of remaining in or out - a once in a lifetime choice, if your lifetime is only 40 years.

Of course membership of the EU has nothing to do with self-determination of a people who wish to have an independence of their country. The mandate is clear if the SNP continue to dominate in Scotland.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Wrong again I'm afraid. Hove and Portslade is one of those seats that has been held by Labour and the Tories over the years and that is because in general the people of the area vote for a person not a party. Indeed, some of Kyle's leaflets this election don't even mention the Labour Party.

Big surprise there - however, Labour will be on the ballot paper and many people will vote for Kyle in order to support Corbyn despite the fact that they know who and what he is.

People are voting for him because he's a good MP not because he's 'Labour'. Hell, I'm right of centre and I voted for him last time because of his record as our MP. I've decided this time not to, with some regret, because I don't want the risk of Corbyn getting in. Last time it seemed unlikely that would happen.

I could say with 99% certainty that Kyle would not get elected if he ran as an independent - because if he could he would do just that. If Corbyn was even close to becoming PM the Blairite MPs would try and shaft him (and Kyle would be in the middle of the bunch - the big mistake Corbyn made was not insisting on mandatory reselection of LP MPs - that way people would know that the LP candidate they vote for would not be a pale pink Tory.

More or less this, except I will vote for him as he's a tremendous local MP and as slightly left of centre I find Johnson and Corbyn to be an equal risk. I did post way back on this thread that, if the local Labour Party had deselected Kyle as they wanted to, I would have either voted for Kyle as an independant or for Tory Robert Nemeth, again on a personal basis. I suspect [MENTION=33329]Jolly Red Giant[/MENTION] must have missed that post, just as he totally misunderstands Hove and Portslade.

Elections and electoral processes are one of the subjects that I actually know something about (among other things I have served as an election monitor/observer) and I guarantee you that I fully understand Kyle and the constituency that he is standing in. the fact that you and a small number of others are projecting your prejudice onto the election does not reflect the reality of how electoral processes work.

Of course the real reason why you are voting for Kyle is because he is anti-Corbyn - as demonstrated by your intent to support the Tory if he wasn't standing - and that is also clear from the other stuff you have posted on this thread.

 

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[Rodney Thomas]

Big surprise there - however, Labour will be on the ballot paper and many people will vote for Kyle in order to support Corbyn despite the fact that they know who and what he is.


I could say with 99% certainty that Kyle would not get elected if he ran as an independent - because if he could he would do just that. If Corbyn was even close to becoming PM the Blairite MPs would try and shaft him (and Kyle would be in the middle of the bunch - the big mistake Corbyn made was not insisting on mandatory reselection of LP MPs - that way people would know that the LP candidate they vote for would not be a pale pink Tory.



Elections and electoral processes are one of the subjects that I actually know something about (among other things I have served as an election monitor/observer) and I guarantee you that I fully understand Kyle and the constituency that he is standing in. the fact that you and a small number of others are projecting your prejudice onto the election does not reflect the reality of how electoral processes work.

Of course the real reason why you are voting for Kyle is because he is anti-Corbyn - as demonstrated by your intent to support the Tory if he wasn't standing - and that is also clear from the other stuff you have posted on this thread.

Can I ask, is it ok to be, as I am, a fully paid up member of the Labour Party and believe Corbyn is bad for the party and therefore bad for the nation?

The 'broad church' of Labour seems to have disappeared somewhat since September 2015.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Big surprise there - however, Labour will be on the ballot paper and many people will vote for Kyle in order to support Corbyn despite the fact that they know who and what he is.


I could say with 99% certainty that Kyle would not get elected if he ran as an independent - because if he could he would do just that. If Corbyn was even close to becoming PM the Blairite MPs would try and shaft him (and Kyle would be in the middle of the bunch - the big mistake Corbyn made was not insisting on mandatory reselection of LP MPs - that way people would know that the LP candidate they vote for would not be a pale pink Tory.



Elections and electoral processes are one of the subjects that I actually know something about (among other things I have served as an election monitor/observer) and I guarantee you that I fully understand Kyle and the constituency that he is standing in. the fact that you and a small number of others are projecting your prejudice onto the election does not reflect the reality of how electoral processes work.

Of course the real reason why you are voting for Kyle is because he is anti-Corbyn - as demonstrated by your intent to support the Tory if he wasn't standing - and that is also clear from the other stuff you have posted on this thread.

Completely and utterly wrong again. You understand nothing about Hove and Portslade. You've chosen to speak to a couple of local comrades and taken their view because it fits with yours. I was brought up in Portslade, moved abroad and have now lived back here for the last 13 years. I'm on first name terms with all my kids' teachers, am regular in two thriving local pubs, say hello to the Doctor and Dentist when they walk down the street. You send a couple of emails to local agitators. Portslade, in particular, is a tight knit community where we all look out for each other and Peter is at the centre of that.

I'm not going to go to the bother of back-quoting my posts from previous election threads but there are plenty on here that know that each election my reasoning for choosing a candidate has been based purely on the person. It wasn't hard last time - the Tories put up a dreadful religious conspiracy theorist. Nevertheless, when it came to the European elections, as a remainer I voted Green and if I lived about three miles west I'd be voting for Caroline Lucas. I just don't think you can accept that there are people who are more open minded that you are, utterly mired in dogma and watching a philosophy you've fought for all your life go down the pan. Again.

Now go back to fixing your computers you sad old fart.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

I just don't think you can accept that there are people who are more open minded that you are, utterly mired in dogma and watching a philosophy you've fought for all your life go down the pan.

My comments on elections are not based on my political beliefs - they are based on research and experience (including personal experience) - you seem to believe that people cannot separate their personal views when making objective observations - some people actually can - and I have had a couple of decades of training to do it.

n my reasoning for choosing a candidate has been based purely on the person.

We have a saying for that in Ireland - its called parish pump politics - choosing to vote for an individual because of who they are rather than they policies they represent and are committed to implementing is doing a disservice to you and to your community.

It leads some people voting for idiots like this (and yes - he is a member of the Irish parliament) - and the second guy in the last video is his nutcase of a brother.

 

[stewart12]

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he really is a massive coward

just do the interview? GMB is very sympathetic to the Tories

The idea that Johnson is some sort of lionheart is ludicrous

 

[Is it PotG?]

Well if this rain carries on, shan't be arsed tomorrow.

Que sera sera.

 

[Guinness Boy]

We have a saying for that in Ireland - its called parish pump politics - choosing to vote for an individual because of who they are rather than they policies they represent and are committed to implementing is doing a disservice to you and to your community.

It really isn't. But Kyle perfectly fits this community, which is why you don't understand it. Young familes, many with jobs in the arts, education or tech but many with only one bread winner. Also a lot of manual workers and van men in Portslade. Socially VERY liberal. A lot of gay female couples in Portslade but not the sort who turn everything in to a committee. A real mixture of hipster pubs and bars and charity shops, uber expensive houses, affordable family houses, council estates (or rather former council estates) and quite a lot of flats and bedsits. Age wise lots of people in their 30s - 50s (back when I was growing up Hove was full of old dears and dogshit which is why it always returned a Tory). A dyed in the wool young angry socialist would die on their arse here, as would a bigot (and there are plenty of them in Momentum).

I've noticed you have a lot of saying for things in Ireland and most of them are bollocks - I've based this on a three month project in Dublin and a sales trip to Galway.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Just had labour party canvassers in Lewes. Lewes ffs, its like they want Boris Johnson to win.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It really isn't. But Kyle perfectly fits this community, which is why you don't understand it. Young familes, many with jobs in the arts or tech but many with only one bread winner. Also a lot of manual workers and van men in Portslade. Socially VERY liberal. A lot of gay female couples in Portslade but not the sort who turn everything in to a committee. A real mixture of hipster pubs and bars and charity shops, uber expensive houses, affordable family houses, council estates (or rather former council estates) and quite a lot of flats and bedsits. Age wise lots of people in their 30s - 50s (back when I was growing up Hove was full of old dears and dogshit which is why it always returned a Tory). A dyed in the wool young angry socialist would die on their arse here, as would a bigot (and there are plenty of them in Momentum).

Going back to your previous post, the local Labour Party didn't want to get rid of him and actually his campaign has been well manned by a large number of local labour party members. He was under the rules of the party required to have a vote to endorse him as a sitting candidate (not deselection) which had he not got 2/3rds of the local groups support, he would have then faced a reselection. That vote didn't take place and so this media narrative that the local labour party wanted rid of him is false, and the support he's been getting pretty much proves that.

 

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[Guinness Boy]

Going back to your previous post, the local Labour Party didn't want to get rid of him and actually his campaign has been well manned by a large number of local labour party members. He was under the rules of the party required to have a vote to endorse him as a sitting candidate (not deselection) which had he not got 2/3rds of the local groups support, he would have then faced a reselection. That vote didn't take place and so this media narrative that the local labour party wanted rid of him is false, and the support he's been getting pretty much proves that.

That's what you said before but it's not what [MENTION=33329]Jolly Red Giant[/MENTION] thinks and he knows EVERYTHING about Hove and Portslade

 

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[Pavilionaire]

My predictions for tomorrow's General Election:

1. More than 50% will vote for a Remain-leaning party - Labour / Lib Dem / SNP / Plaid / Green.

2. Despite Brexit being in the numerical minority, Boris under FPTP will win a small majority of seats and press on with his Brexit.

3. The "F*ck it, it's pissing down, I can't be arsed to vote" Party will number 10 million.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Not true, love is reserved for family and

Alright, I'll let you have that. It's my one concession to you on these political threads

 

[Is it PotG?]

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Was that from the film?

 

[theonlymikey]

Just had labour party canvassers in Lewes. Lewes ffs, its like they want Boris Johnson to win.

Have seen people talk about canvassers supporting the other team to rid Boris, wouldn't look too much into that