[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Chicken Run]

I find it quite astonishing that in the last week Labour put out generally popular plans, whilst the Tories lurch from one PR disaster to another - yet the gap actually widens. What would Johnson & Co actually have to do to lose support?

Well the plans can’t be popular then if the gap has “widened “ ffs.

 

[Bakero]

I don't really understand politics but the thing I really don't understand is for all parties where is the money coming from to match the policies. I suppose Tories can claim savings on EU payments but we'll still have to pay the exit bill.
After years of austerity everyone is now throwing the kitchen sink at getting votes. Maybe I'm just an old fashioned sort of bloke but I was always told if you can't afford it don't buy it, are any of the parties trying to balance the books or are we just looking at increasing debt.

Not making payments to the EU isn't going to boost our budget due to the hit the economy is going to take.

Re. debt. A national economy isn't managed like your household budget. No government is going to eliminate debt.

 

[Bodian]

Well the plans can’t be popular then if the gap has “widened “ ffs.

Not quite true - Labour have consistently come up with proposals that get broad general support - but when it comes to voting, people still don't vote for them.

 

[Ernest]

Vote for me - even though I can't even tell the time:-

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They just can't stop lying

 

[theonlymikey]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ok-group-advises-party-Holocaust-deniers.html

SHOCKING-You thought we’d reached the bottom of the swamp? You thought there was nothing left that could shock us? You thought that the worst had already been revealed?

Think again.....

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“Labour Election candidate ran secret Facebook group which advises party 'Holocaust deniers' how to beat charges of antisemitism”

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You are Rachel Riley and I claim my prize.

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[lawros left foot]

again, with another unrealistic election promise.
The Conservatives would recruit an extra 6,000 GPs over a 5 year timescale .

This comes after the Tories promised 5,000 new GPs in the 2015 election, that never materialised, in fact GP numbers fell by 979.

 

[theonlymikey]

Wasting your time, most Corbyn supporters probably think reading the Mail is worse than antisemitism ..

Still can't get you to answer whether or not that if free broadband saves the country money, do you disagree that private shareholders should not receive tax payers money. But you're all over any new anti Labour/Corbyn stories like a rash. ..

When backed into corner you run away crying. Much like your handsome prince meeting the public.

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[theonlymikey]

Having observed all that though, that old Marxist Jeremy Bernard Corbyn will most likely need to jump into bed with the SNP to get a majority promising them another Scottish Independence referendum as the price and promises we will have another EU referendum in 2020 ......

Still haven't figured out what a Marxist is yet I see.

Will you be campaigning against the NHS to help stop health communism?

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[Guinness Boy]

Opinium - Conservative poll lead 16 points

YouGov - Conservative poll lead 17 points

Deltapoll - Conservative poll lead 15 points

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

I find it quite astonishing that in the last week Labour put out generally popular plans, whilst the Tories lurch from one PR disaster to another - yet the gap actually widens. What would Johnson & Co actually have to do to lose support?

The answer to that question is basically promise either a second referendum or revokation of A50. Labour haven't lost much support or, indeed, gained much in those figures - they're steady. The Tories have a gain and the Brexit Party quite a drop. It looks like either these are the first polls where people can't or won't say "Brexit Party" in the seats they are not contesting or - and here's a thought - that the percentages in this country in favour of a hard-ish Brexit are around about 42-45%. Exactly why Cummings and Johnson wanted an election but not a referendum on their deal.

 

[theonlymikey]

Hi, Thanks for your reply.
In response, I have to say that I have never considered myself to be 'not so well off', so perhaps your original reply of me sounding like the type of voter Johnson, JRM and Cummins are (targetting) putting at the top of the agenda was a bit wide of the mark! The point I was making was concerning those with pensions and funds reliant on the fortunes of the stockmarket, which is an awful lot of the population.
I voted Remain, but I accept the decision of the referendum and want to see the Brexit deal through.
Yes, whatever party gains power needs a healthy economy to implement their political aims, but my fear and that of many political and economic observers is that the Labour Party's proposals will have a serious effect on the economy of this country( I know we haven't seen the manifestos!) and, as is usual, it will probably be the less well off who will eventually suffer most.
I am not convinced that there will be tax cuts for higher earners and business in any Tory plans and to be honest, I think tax cuts for higher earners at the moment, would be a huge mistake. Business tax is more complicated and there may be some adjustments and tweaks, but I can't see wholesale tax cuts( again, we haven't seen the manifesto).
To sum up, what I would like to see, is a Tory majority so that we can begin to start the process of dealing with Brexit, and although I am no great fan of Boris Johnson, I don't believe a Government led by him would do the damage to the economy that a far left Government led by Corbyn and McDonnell would. The added benefit of a Tory majority would be that Corbyn et al would almost certainly have to stand down and the Labour Party could start to rebuild and once again become a party that would be electable and provide the Opposition that the country deserves.
I wonder how many moderate Labour MPs want to retain their own seats, but want their party to lose the election. Quite a few I would imagine.
P.S.The XJ is lovely, just like the one Corbyn could ride in if he was PM, but then again, he may consider it too elitist!

If you're upset about pensions I dread to think how you would react to the fact privatising water, energy and trains resulted in private debt being unloaded onto the network, the network being assets stripped to death and massive pension shortfalls in the sector.

But the fact you think the party backed by unions , the party kings of workers rights, would be more likely to oversee pension deficits is the most ridicule worthy thing I've read today. Even more so than any nonsense JC has written.

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[Chicken Run]

Not quite true - Labour have consistently come up with proposals that get broad general support - but when it comes to voting, people still don't vote for them.

I’m sorry but how can you say they get “broad general support” then go onto say in the same sentence “people still don’t vote for them” ?

Maybe that’s the problem ffs.

 

[theonlymikey]

hmmmmm [emoji38]

Who makes laws sweetheart? I'll give you ONE guess.

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[theonlymikey]

I find it quite astonishing that in the last week Labour put out generally popular plans, whilst the Tories lurch from one PR disaster to another - yet the gap actually widens. What would Johnson & Co actually have to do to lose support?

Using the overall poll tracker for balance would help for a start. Labour closed the gap on average across all intention polls.

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[daveinplzen]

Think I saw something about St Davids powys going against the polls and electing Labour, a gain from the Tories, in some bi election

 

[theonlymikey]

For that to happen, Labour would need a credible leader with credible policies....

I'm not sure you could describe a £300bn nationalisation plan as a generally popular plan amongst the electorate.

Read a proper newspaper will you. Independent source confirmed it will cost £46bn and would pay for itself within 7 years.

The other 250bn probably relates to an investment fund. Now THATS unleashing the countries potential.

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[theonlymikey]

Well the plans can’t be popular then if the gap has “widened “ ffs.

Labour's announced policies have all polled the public are majority in favour.

Should we do a poll to see if the public supports tax cuts for the rich?.....

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[theonlymikey]

Not quite true - Labour have consistently come up with proposals that get broad general support - but when it comes to voting, people still don't vote for them.

40% of the vote share in 2017. Only 700k less than Tories.

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[Guinness Boy]

40% of the vote share in 2017. Only 700k less than Tories.

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Dropping to 28% in the current round of polls when the government has been a running joke that can't deliver Brexit or anything else should be a bit of a concern then. I wonder why the public aren't taking to them?

 

[Bakero]

I’m sorry but how can you say they get “broad general support” then go onto say in the same sentence “people still don’t vote for them” ?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...r-economic-policies-are-popular-so-why-arent-

 

[Stat Brother]

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