The BNP

[Stoo82]

Weed on the streets? Cool

Yeah man. Its great over here. Just pick it up and smoke it.

Interestingly, Greeks like to pick certon weeds from the roadside and use it in thier cooking.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I've got a mate who has got himself a bit obsessed with the BNP. He keeps texting me 'factoids' from their website. Such as

50% of all kids now born in the Netherlands are Muslim.

The Southern part of France is now majority Muslim.

Barrack Obama has a Muslim agenda, hence his desire for Turkey to be part of the EU.

I've got the BNP down as a load of hate filled nutters but does anyone know if any of this is true and if so should we be worried in any way?

Interesting. Lets look at these one by one.

The highest fertility in the Netherlands is in it's so called bible belt. (see http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/bevolking/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2003/2003-1269-wm.htm

The dutch population is only 5-6 % muslim and although only 17% identify as protestant some 40 % declare no religion. Source Netherlands Institute for Social Research 2007 survey.

So there are two arguments against this fact. 1st the highest birthrate is in Protestant areas. 2nd with Muslims making up under 6% of the population their fertilty rate would have to be 20 times that of the rest of the population to account for 50% of births.

Is the Southern part of France majority Muslim. Well as a test lets look at Marseille, commonly held as a centre of North African immigration.
According to French government statistics there are 600k catholics in Marseille an 200k Muslims, with a further 200k from other religions.
If Southern France were really majority Muslim it would be reasonable to expect to see that reflected in the population of it's major city.

Is the barak Obama support of Turkey part of a secret Muslim agenda. Well this was also the policy of the Bush administration. Turkey has been part of NATO for 50 years and US policy has consistently in that time encouraged the integration of Turkey into the Western Alliance, first to keep them out of the Soviet sphere and latterly to promote an alternative mulsim politcal model.

Conclusion.

50% of all kids now born in the Netherlands are Muslim - False, not supported by the statistics

The Southern part of France is now majority Muslim. - False, not even the city with the reputation of being the centre of immigration is close to a majority Islamic population

Barrack Obama has a Muslim agenda, hence his desire for Turkey to be part of the EU. - False, This is just a continuation of US policy

 

[Captain Haddock]

I am a supporter of the BNP. Reason being i am worried about white british people becoming a minority in britain. Which i believe is in danger of happening. I am not a racist before all you lot start calling me a racist pig etc. Just want to keep britain british.

But they are an overwhelmingly racist party, so if you vote for them you endorse racism. Make no mistake about that! Selective sound-biting is the preserve of all politicians but is most prevalent and more importantly MOST DANGEROUS with racist scum like the BNP.

If the BNP ever got into power (which they won't....so you are wasting your vote!) they would create far more problems than those we are all disgruntled about now.

I don't have a problem with honest, decent immigrants, coming in sensible quantities and filling skills shortages, contributing etc.

My problem is with the major parties who consecutively have allowed a dosser culture to prevail (I'm talking about ALL dossers here, not just immigrant gravy-trainers!!!).

This dosser culture is undeniably present and to blame for the shocking state so sectors of Britain now find themselves. For poor people from 2nd and third world countries to try to get a piece of that action is understandable....for them to succeed isn't!

 

[clapham_gull]

The main problem i have with immigration is the fact that they come over to live in Britain and continue to live as they would in their homeland. E.g Muslims Come here and demand Mosques are built so they can prey, They bend rules such as school uniform, and anyone who tries to make them wear the correct uniform is deemed a racist.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is that.

I see the BNP as the main party which will make Britain a better place IMO, so that i why i vote BNP.

But they will never get in power, so it's a complete waste of a vote.

You know that and I know that, so there is no point hiding behind it.

You are probably a bit obsessed with the issue of immigration, most of which you have gleaned from newspapers or websites.

I'd also suggest that the reality is that racial issues hardly affect you personally on a daily basis.

By voting for that party and by thinking that their vision for this country is somehow parallel to your general beliefs just confirms it.

You are by definition a racist. You might as well write it on your forehead.

Don't worry it's not incurable, but neither is it cured by hiding behind some new age, pagan, mumbo jumbo, morris dancing version of it.

They are the ones that frighten me, the new age eco racists who think it's all do with something tribal rather than simple hatred.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

It will be interesting to see how the UKIP and BNP actually perform in the local and Euro elections. I can see them picking up a lot of protest votes but not to the extent that some of the scaremongerers are predicting. It doesn't bother me that I live next door to an Asian family who run a successful property business. We are the only 2 families in the street who are not "local".

 

[coventrygull]

It will be interesting to see how the UKIP and BNP actually perform in the local and Euro elections. I can see them picking up a lot of protest votes but not to the extent that some of the scaremongerers are predicting. It doesn't bother me that I live next door to an Asian family who run a successful property business. We are the only 2 families in the street who are not "local".

I think it is going to be a very interesting election. Probably makes it a bit more exciting than the usual bore fest. I do think the BNP threat is being over blown. I think this is a deliberate tactic by the opposition parties. Hoping a poor vote for the BNP will make them implode.

 

[Captain Haddock]

Erm.... sorry to mention this, but Britishness inherently means dour, heavy-hearted, cynical, miserabalistic (no such word?? Is too) and envious of success. Although we have seen zany humour, off-kilter points of view and wryness on our comic television- WE find that funny..... but that doesn't necessarily mean the man in the street is funny and his humour always brilliant.

How many Brit comedians are World famous?
I mean like Robin Williams, Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Cheech and Chong, Jack Black, Gene Wilder, Bill Murray, Richard Pryor, Woody Allen, John Belushi and Dan Akroyd.....?

John Cleese, Benny Hill (who is actually number one Brit funny-man). And?

Norman Wisdom is very popular in Albania, apparently!!

 

[Captain Haddock]

I will tell you El thats quite funny when you think of the state of the economy under labour. Could the BNP be much worse. I don't think so.

I do!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I think it is going to be a very interesting election. Probably makes it a bit more exciting than the usual bore fest. I do think the BNP threat is being over blown. I think this is a deliberate tactic by the opposition parties. Hoping a poor vote for the BNP will make them implode.

The local and European elections are always where the protest votes get cast, if the electorate can be arsed to vote at all. Pretty sure the Greens and the BNP will get a healthy (or unhealthy in the case of the BNP) share of the votes. But it won't mean a thing come the general election.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The local and European elections are always where the protest votes get cast, if the electorate can be arsed to vote at all. Pretty sure the Greens and the BNP will get a healthy (or unhealthy in the case of the BNP) share of the votes. But it won't mean a thing come the general election.

The Greens are just an environmentally friendly version of the BNP.

 

[Gully]

The local and European elections are always where the protest votes get cast, if the electorate can be arsed to vote at all. Pretty sure the Greens and the BNP will get a healthy (or unhealthy in the case of the BNP) share of the votes. But it won't mean a thing come the general election.

The normal turn out for the Euro elections is maybe 30% or so, for a general election it can be something like 50-60%...I think we may be surprised by the turn out this time, with a far greater percentage of the electorate as people want to voice their displeasure with mainstream politics...the likely gains are the greens, BNP, UKIP and independant candidates.

 

[Captain Haddock]

They bend rules such as school uniform, and anyone who tries to make them wear the correct uniform is deemed a racist.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is that.

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I actually agree with you on that but it's up to the Govt to ensure no-one 'takes the piss'. The BNP won't just insist on that and having a Christmas tree in the town square, though, will they?!

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Norman Wisdom is very popular in Albania, apparently!!

His films were the only foreign films shown in Albania during the communist era. They were shown in the cinemas without the sound (and no subtitles) , so you could say he was the forerunner of Rowan Atkinson's creation , Mr Bean.

 

[El Presidente]

I think we will have to ask El pres. If he thinks it will get really bad. I honestly think that we are standing on the edge of the abyss.

The stance taken by all the major industrial nations will go some way to avert the worst of the damage. The problem with huge amounts of government spending is that it is not very well focussed, and tends to be more miss than hit in terms of success. IMO the UK government should be trying to invest in making the UK a truly wireless nation, and investing in that part of the infrastructure, as well as having a coherent transport policy to speed up both business and trade.

We should also invest in people, through education and training. Prosperity is not created by working in call centres and Lidl, the former can be easily outsourced and the latter is low skilled and poorly paid. That is not to say that sticking people into university for the sake of it is the answer.

We have lost a generation of semi skilled tradesmen, and have been fortunate that there has been a migrant influx to address this void. Perhaps we should be asking WHY British teenagers don't want to become plumbers, joiners etc. The work is normally reasonably well paid, but too many look down their nose at such skills.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What the f*** would you know about the working class?

eat your words you clueless prick!!

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

IMO the UK government should be trying to invest in making the UK a truly wireless nation

Does that mean the comeback of cats whiskers , El Pres ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

let the voting speak for itself ,then we can all have our say afterwards

 

[Stoo82]

The stance taken by all the major industrial nations will go some way to avert the worst of the damage. The problem with huge amounts of government spending is that it is not very well focussed, and tends to be more miss than hit in terms of success. IMO the UK government should be trying to invest in making the UK a truly wireless nation, and investing in that part of the infrastructure, as well as having a coherent transport policy to speed up both business and trade.

We should also invest in people, through education and training. Prosperity is not created by working in call centres and Lidl, the former can be easily outsourced and the latter is low skilled and poorly paid. That is not to say that sticking people into university for the sake of it is the answer.

We have lost a generation of semi skilled tradesmen, and have been fortunate that there has been a migrant influx to address this void. Perhaps we should be asking WHY British teenagers don't want to become plumbers, joiners etc. The work is normally reasonably well paid, but too many look down their nose at such skills.

I have to agree with your 'policies' there El Prez.

The reason i feel kids these days dont want to learn a trade or skill is because they are feed the dream of becomeing a Jade Goody. No work no skill just become famous. R.I.P
Kids need to learn that its a hard shitty world out there and you have to work your butt off to get anywhere.

Sadley, kids these days are taught that you can get anything for free and even if you dont lose, you still win. This in my view is wrong. Teach kids that its OK to lose.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

let the voting speak for itself ,then we can all have our say afterwards

with a BNP binfestarama.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

with a BNP binfestarama.

what ever