[Politics] The 4 leader debate on tv

[Nottseagull]

It's Friday evening, end of a hard working week and a home match tomorrow.
NSC - Arguing about politics.
This is the third political thread started today.

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[Goldstone1976]

What’s a euphemism?


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[Bakero]

what you show is spending as % of GDP going down, after crisis reaction, to the level from 2007. remamber the austere times then? spending increases every year in the period, maybe not in real terms but rises none the less. belt tightening would be more appropriate description. anyway point is, its nuts to keep on about austerity and highlight the debt increase, the fiscal evidence doesnt support both sides. borrowing needs to be zero before the debt starts coming down.

So there was no austerity? Cuts totalling 30 billion weren't made to social services, welfare payments and housing subsidies?

The UN concluded that the government's austerity programme amounted to human rights abuse stating that it was responsible for "entrenching high levels of poverty and inflicting unnecessary misery in one of the richest countries in the world."

 

[Happy Exile]

Very much a stage managed debate loaded with Corbyn supporters to make up the audience

There were supporters of every party obviously present, Corbyn just handled the difficult questions better and the others were exposed, particularly Swinson but especially Johnson, who saw that people have had enough of bluster and lies.

I write this as someone who won't vote for Labour while Corbyn is leader. I don't understand why Johnson having his lies and abhorrent behaviour called out is bias though. Corbyn was also attacked over things he's said and believed but being a less awful human being than Johnson didn't do so badly in answering for them.

 

[Bakero]

I thought austerity was necessary because, according to Labour, we’d run out of money? Of course that may be wrong - it would surely be unusual for Labour to spend shed loads of money simply to leave it to the next Tory administration to sort it out?

You might want to think again, if indeed you did think the first time.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

You failed to spot the 90% Corbynista audience. The other leaders faced a preplanned (reading from notes) barrage of belligerent statements, masquerading as questions. Corbyn could’ve been at a mini Labour Conference.

It was a ‘Corbynista’ audience because Johnson actually got held to account for once by a well informed audience? Jesus wept

 

[Albion Dan]

I’m sorry if this offends and I normally vote for the joke candidate because both main parties are awful but anybody voting for the Tories and Boris after their shocking deceitful behaviour, utter contempt for the public, and hatefulness need to ask themselves if they are a decent human being. Look in the mirror. Do you like what’s looking back?

 

[The Lemming Stomper]

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Hope the 2 people that voted Swinson got back to the asylum safely

 

[Stat Brother]

If you look at this and still shout 'Boris gets my vote' it probably says considerably more about you than you want to let on.

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I now await an attack on the source but not the content.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

The scores on my doors were:

1. Sturgeon - no-one laid a glove on her; a consummate performance

2. Corbyn - looked (relatively) assured

Joint 3rd - Swinson (car crash); Johnson (same old sound bites, talked too much; arrogant; and a Grade A Tosser)

The real winner was the audience. Well done Sheffield.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It was a ‘Corbynista’ audience because Johnson actually got held to account for once by a well informed audience? Jesus wept

Corbyn got pretty heavily dealt with too didn’t he. Seems if he says anything that people like, must be his audience. Some people aren’t quite is impartial as they’d like to think.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I’m sorry if this offends and I normally vote for the joke candidate because both main parties are awful but anybody voting for the Tories and Boris after their shocking deceitful behaviour, utter contempt for the public, and hatefulness need to ask themselves if they are a decent human being. Look in the mirror. Do you like what’s looking back?

Yep, totally comfortable that despite being born in the 60’s, lived through the dinosaur 70’s, survived Thatcherism, made it into the next millennium having always voted Labour up until Brown came along, that I now find the current comedy duo leading the Labour as a disaster waiting to happen.

Boris is a clown, but, he wants to deliver what was voted for. He will also not last long as PM if elected. Hopefully by then Jezza can get back to doing what he does best, growing onions and supporting the enemies of the UK. Hopefully, post Brexit we can have a sensible election once more with heavy weight candidates, not a farce with clowns leading the parade.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Corbyn got pretty heavily dealt with too didn’t he. Seems if he says anything that people like, must be his audience. Some people aren’t quite is impartial as they’d like to think.

By your own admission you cannot do political impartiality, therefore your opinion carries about as much weight as a Mayfly.

 

[BN9 BHA]

If you prefer threads solely about tomorrow's game then you only need to visit Bozza's sticky.

Posted at 3.55 AM, very kind of you to think of me at that early hour, much appreciated.
Sorry I didn't see your post I was asleep

 

[Mellotron]

Forget who you like out of Sturgeon, Corbyn and Swinson.

How ANYONE watches that and goes “yeah, Johnson’s the man to vote for” absolutely blows my brain. He’s a ****ing moron.

 

[Horses Arse]

You failed to spot the 90% Corbynista audience. The other leaders faced a preplanned (reading from notes) barrage of belligerent statements, masquerading as questions. Corbyn could’ve been at a mini Labour Conference.

Rubbish. Corbyn was class, as was Sturgeon. The others are in the gutter and appalling politicians.

For them to perform so well under a Tory controlled media is an incredible achievement.

It wasn't a room full of Corbyn supporters, it was a room of real people. That is what exposes Johnson as the car crash he is. Johnson can only function on Twitter and on 1v1 BBC interviews.

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[Horses Arse]

Very much a stage managed debate loaded with Corbyn supporters to make up the audience

Thank God for that. Means no one else needs to highlight the idiocy of this view. Cheers!

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[Surrey Phil]

I’m struggling to think of a worst group of leaders for the electorate to choose from. Truly frightening!

 

[Horses Arse]

IMO the BBC is sympathetic towards the current government, although its clearly liberal.

Control of the media has been a Tory focus since Thatcher. They have exerted control over the BBC to accompany the control over the written press. Very effective.

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[Horses Arse]

Be honest, why do you think we had all those years of austerity?

Hmmm, Tory's feed the rich and starve the rest. Throttle investment on schools and hospitals, giveaway the national infrastructure.

Labour then invest in the country, overcoming the throttling effect of Tory control. Tories then state that labour overspend and the cycle continues.

This time the Tories throttle us all and destroy the economy, increase debt. All caused by successive Tory leaders pathological obsession with power but still some focus on labours investment as the problem.

All very odd. Perhaps people are in so much fear of their high earnings costing them in increased taxes that will believe anything to support those that give them even more money.

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