[Politics] The 4 leader debate on tv

[vegster]

projected budget increases were cut. in the shadow of a politics sound bite we dont ask about where the money was or should be spent. for instance what services are being provided by councils beyond legal requirements, shouldnt those gaps be filled properly? instead we harp on about debt rising, where we came in, when real austerity would have seen debt lower. all the parties are offering to increase spending and hundreds of billions of borrowing now, often without even saying what the borrowing would be spent on. those charts will continue to grow, though so will the social issues.

That seems a bit of a quaint way of trying to disguise cuts ? It used to be standard practice for a sitting Tory PM to stand at the despatch box and say " We are putting more money in to the NHS than ever before ", and be reasonably honest as, thanks to Inflation, every year funding has to go up even to stand still.

However, the small part of the actual policy of austerity that I can reference very accurately is the demise of the specialist reading programme for struggling children known as ECAR ( Every Child A Reader ) . This was a specialist intervention for children in years 2-3 who are falling drastically behind the required reading ability. This was a fantastic scheme that gave a child 40 minutes a day of one to one reading and writing with a specially trained Teacher.

You probably know people, particularly boys who can't or don't read as they have dyslexia issues or a lack of confidence, these boys grow up, and unless helped at an early age will struggle in adult life unless given the tools( Training ) to break words down and comprehend their meaning. Mrs V was one such trained ECAR teacher who really enjoyed the job and genuinely boosted the majority of pupils she worked with, those not boosted up to the reading age they should be were then assigned special needs support in order to help them through their whole education.

Sadly, three years ago the funding was pulled from this intervention and all the specialist ECAR teachers were put back in to mainstream teaching or left the profession. Schools still have to attain levels of English and Mathematics, but now there are no specialist interventions and Special Educational Needs assessments are avoided as the funds are not available if a child is found to need extra support.

So, when Boris says " We are putting more money in to education and we are making sure every child has the chance to fulfil their full potential " please be aware that he is lying through his teeth as usual.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Look above - it’s the right answer. Felt like watching a Labour conference.

Indeed, they even had a Labour Party Communications officer planted to ask a loaded, inaccurate question to help the dear leader ....

https://order-order.com/2019/11/23/labour-comms-staffer-question-time-liar/

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Would you care to explain then why the ‘leftie’ BBC deliberately decided to edit out the audience laughter at the concept of Boris Johnson telling the truth? And edited Boris Johnson’s wreath laying?

Really ? I heard it loud and clear

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

the only thing going in Swinson's favour is

out of the 4 candidants she is the only one shaggable

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

the only thing going in Swinson's favour is

out of the 4 candidants she is the only one shaggable

Corbyn looks like albert steptoe, Sturgeon looks like the woman from the krankies and Johnson is a big lump, so it is not saying a lot his sister is a bit of a milf however

 

[Bry Nylon]

Sturgeon looks like the woman from the krankies

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Really ? I heard it loud and clear

Yes, at the event itself but when the same clip was replayed during the news, the BBC edited out the laughter (Link to clip down below) They also completely changed the footage of his disorderly conduct on Remembrance Day. If they are so biased towards Labour, as you claim, why do this?

https://twitter.com/chelleryn99/status/1198276026956169218?s=21

 

[Weststander]

the only thing going in Swinson's favour is

out of the 4 candidants she is the only one shaggable

Not bad at all for a British politician, but she’d need to lighten up.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Johnson may have his faults but somehow he has managed to snag an absolutely babe over 20 years his junior so I will take my hat off to him for that one. Fair play Boris

 

[Weststander]

Yes, at the event itself but when the same clip was replayed during the news, the BBC edited out the laughter (Link to clip down below) They also completely changed the footage of his disorderly conduct on Remembrance Day. If they are so biased towards Labour, as you claim, why do this?

https://twitter.com/chelleryn99/status/1198276026956169218?s=21

Genuinely, what happened on Remembrance Sunday?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Genuinely, what happened on Remembrance Sunday?

He stepped out of line at the wrong time and he layed his wreath upside down. Now, usually this would be trivial but, as in the past few years we’ve seen Corbyn slammed for “not bowing his head low enough” and doctored pictures of Corbyn smiling after the service, when in reality he was smiling whilst talking to veterans (the media conveniently left this bit out), it was incredibly strange to see that the BBC edited the footage for the news to show previous years footage of Johnson laying a wreath and doing so at the correct time, without his minor gaff or stepping out of line. He was, apparently, either still drunk or hungover from the night before to boot.

‪https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-boris-johnson-brexit-wreath-laying-cenotaph-footage-wrong-old-tory-bias-a9198521.html‬

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Did 41 people seriously think Johnson won that one ? Really ? As for the 6 who thought Swinson won it, you might need to make an appointment with your gp on monday

 

[Simster]

Agreed. The magic grandpa won it by a mile. I may even vote for him now, whereas before that debate I was all set to vote LibDem.

 

[Sirnormangall]

You might want to think again, if indeed you did think the first time.

Nope - thought again and came to same conclusion.

 

[Sirnormangall]

He’ll go to the top of this thread and click the Nicola Sturgeon option.

Of course - I’d forgotten that NSC polls are so influential!

 

[Weststander]

Of course - I’d forgotten that NSC polls are so influential!

The Nation follows NSC’s balanced political views.

 

[clapham_gull]

Yes, at the event itself but when the same clip was replayed during the news, the BBC edited out the laughter (Link to clip down below) They also completely changed the footage of his disorderly conduct on Remembrance Day. If they are so biased towards Labour, as you claim, why do this?

https://twitter.com/chelleryn99/status/1198276026956169218?s=21

The remembrance thing was a genuine f### up. It was mixed up with footage that was retrieved to preview the service.

 

[clapham_gull]

He stepped out of line at the wrong time and he layed his wreath upside down. Now, usually this would be trivial but, as in the past few years we’ve seen Corbyn slammed for “not bowing his head low enough” and doctored pictures of Corbyn smiling after the service, when in reality he was smiling whilst talking to veterans (the media conveniently left this bit out), it was incredibly strange to see that the BBC edited the footage for the news to show previous years footage of Johnson laying a wreath and doing so at the correct time, without his minor gaff or stepping out of line. He was, apparently, either still drunk or hungover from the night before to boot.

‪https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-boris-johnson-brexit-wreath-laying-cenotaph-footage-wrong-old-tory-bias-a9198521.html‬

Not incredibly strange if you understand how production works. It was an obvious mistake and it happens.

There really isn't any conspiracy theory regarding the television news in this country. BBC, ITV, Channel Four and Sky are the best in the world at television news. Mistakes happen, but we should be glad we have them.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Not incredibly strange if you understand how production works. It was an obvious mistake and it happens.

There really isn't any conspiracy theory regarding the television news in this country. BBC, ITV, Channel Four and Sky are the best in the world at television news. Mistakes happen, but we should be glad we have them.

It is incredibly ‘strange’ that the media rush to save the PM’s blushes but lambast Corbyn for not bowing his head low enough. I’m sure this was just a mistake too, right?



For what it’s worth, I like the BBC but I will flat out contest that it is in anyway pro Corbyn, especially after the aforementioned edits that have seemingly been made to help improve Johnson image. Also worth mentioning that Peter Oborne, the Daily Telegraph's former chief political commentator, BBC executives think 'it's wrong to expose PM's lies' because it would undermine the public’s trust in democracy. Sounds like they’re protecting him to me and based on what’s we’ve seen recently it’s not too difficult to come to this conclusion.

 

[WATFORD zero]

And, out of interest, what date do you two think we will be in this 'post Brexit' position ?

If Johnson gets his majority and manages to 'leave' by the end of Jan 2020, do you believe, as Johnson has stated, that we will have the new deal in place in 11 months ?

If so, you may want to do a little reading up on negotiating trade deals, maybe starting on the much quoted Canada deal, far simpler than that which we are seeking, that has taken over 10 years to negotiate, has no aspect of services (the thing that makes up 80% of Britain's GDP) and still isn't fully implemented. Then maybe start reading up on what experienced trade negotiators say about Johnson's timescales.

Personally, I can't see anyway that this single deal with the EU will take under 10 years, all the while paying our EU fees and still operating under EU regulations and rules (with no input). The £36B 'divorce bill' only covers us up to end of 2020, and so that will have to be renegotiated (probably numerous times) for which there is no financial structure agreed.

And that is completely ignoring all the other trade agreements and arrangements that we have to replace on leaving the EU. JRM said 50 years

At my age, I don't think I would be around to see this 'Post Brexit' time and Ironically, there's every chance that Johnson, only being a couple of years younger, won't either

Anyway, onto more pressing matters

I don't disagree that the achievement of decent trade deal with the EU may indeed be some way off ( even assuming that things unfold that way ).

What is incontrovertible is that once the nonsense is out of the way, if Brexit occurs, the negotiating of a trade deal should not involve MPs other than those in trade associated positions and that will allow the H. of C. to get on with the vast array of urgent business which has been sidelined in all this time.

Perhaps I am even less likely to be seeing it either LOL !

Do you REALLY think the trade deal would be left to the trade negotiators in the Civil Service whilst The Government gets on with other priorities ?

If the negotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement alone seemed to take over Parliament completely for 3.5 years, I really can't see how you think the EU trade deal alone won't do the same for at least the next 10, let alone all the other EU deals and agreements to be replaced

If Johnson gets his way, it really is likely to be a lifetime sentence for me, him and (from what you say) possibly you.

Now, I wonder which of the three of us will gain from it