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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 119 37.0%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 182 56.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 19 5.9%

  • Total voters
    322
  • This poll will close: .






Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,453
The arse end of Hangleton
Trump, who is definitely okay, and not suffering from any kind of mental decline spent the last half an hour of his rally yesterday doing this:



Just playing music and vaguely swaying around. For thirty minutes!

He doesn't even know the dance:


In the first video he looks like one of those geeky virgins at the sixth form prom who's too shy to ask any pretty girl to dance and so just rocks in the corner out of rhythm with the actual music.
 




Frutos

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May 3, 2006
36,198
Northumberland
Trump, who is definitely okay, and not suffering from any kind of mental decline spent the last half an hour of his rally yesterday doing this:



Just playing music and vaguely swaying around. For thirty minutes!

He doesn't even know the dance:


How is this mess, irrespective of his politics, a contender to be US President?

I struggle to see how he's a serious candidate who appeals to anyone.
 


BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
17,958
Indeed. It's maddening. And it's absolutely not good.

As much of a bleeding heart liberal that I generally am (at least by US standards), I do think we need a functioning and serious conservative opposition to keep us honest. But we don't have that. At all. They do not engage in anything remotely resembling good faith debate anymore. Some people will try to "both sides" this thing, but that's really dishonest. It's only one side that has brought us to this point. And it's not the Democrats.
With a clown in opposition it is hard to effectively focus on the government's shortcomings. It is similar to the UK when the clowns were in government and the result is another extremal poor government.

Championing a government and ignoring their shortcomings in fear of the clowns is not a healthy democracy.

I keep saying it but to me it is astonishing that people with actual working brains are supportive of this shit. We have a couple on here who still after pages and pages on this thread haven't managed a single coherent fact based reason to vote for the clown (the closest from what I read was that he was a bit better and a bit younger than Biden).

But here we are (or they are) on a f***ing knife edge!
 




BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
17,958
How is this mess, irrespective of his politics, a contender to be US President?

I struggle to see how he's a serious candidate who appeals to anyone.
He doesn't even seem fit to be president of one of this own golf clubs. But leader of the free world, bring it on!
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
55,226
Faversham
How is this mess, irrespective of his politics, a contender to be US President?

I struggle to see how he's a serious candidate who appeals to anyone.
It is strange, isn't it.

Usually that sort of popularity (70 million voters) is because some want to be you and others want to be f***ed by you.

I can't imagine anyone aspiring to either, frankly.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
How is this mess, irrespective of his politics, a contender to be US President?

I struggle to see how he's a serious candidate who appeals to anyone.
Trump is being used by the Republicans as a vote magnet, then within months he will be ‘retired’ for health reasons so Vance can take over.
 




HyperTony

Well-known member
May 20, 2023
198
Since Brexit and Trump 2016, nothing suprises me. "People" get their information and views from their own echo chamber, on both sides. It's a minority (imho) who try and see both sides and decide based on policy, by actually reading and knowing stuff. Harris needs to throw more mud around and shout louder, resort to the same tactics, make it more interesting.
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
56,844
Back in Sussex
How is this mess, irrespective of his politics, a contender to be US President?

I struggle to see how he's a serious candidate who appeals to anyone.
I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...

- Female
- University educated
- Bright
- Funny
- Socially aware
- Lives in Southern California

...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.

In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.

A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.

And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
55,226
Faversham
I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...

- Female
- University educated
- Bright
- Funny
- Socially aware
- Lives in Southern California

...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.

In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.

A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.

And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.
Yep. @lasvegan would agree with that no doubt. If I were a US resident I would do my voter sums using very different equations than I would use here, in socialist Britain. I'd like to think I'd make the same choice as I can make as a non US voter, but I can't be certain of that.
 




PILTDOWN MAN

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 15, 2004
19,399
Hurst Green
If Trump wins they won't miss the next time as it will be from within.
 


herecomesaregular

We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Oct 27, 2008
4,589
Still in Brighton
In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.

A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.

And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.
Yes, yes, yes but I find belief in this more bizarre than voting for the weirdo nutcase himself.
 


BN41Albion

Well-known member
Oct 1, 2017
6,724
Since Brexit and Trump 2016, nothing suprises me. "People" get their information and views from their own echo chamber, on both sides. It's a minority (imho) who try and see both sides and decide based on policy, by actually reading and knowing stuff. Harris needs to throw more mud around and shout louder, resort to the same tactics, make it more interesting.

This is precisely the problem now, and (imo) why we're now seeing a rise in populist, far right figures across Europe and further afield. Ignorant folk who live within their own echo chamber on social media, so far down the rabbit hole that there's no hope of them even contemplating a different reality.

It seriously blows my mind, though, that there are folk this side of the pond - like the couple of posters on here - who have managed to find themselves so far down the Trump rabbit hole. At least if you're born and raised small town 'Merica you can better understand why that might happen.
 






Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
13,719
Cumbria


US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,334
Cleveland, OH
I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...

- Female
- University educated
- Bright
- Funny
- Socially aware
- Lives in Southern California

...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.

In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.

A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.

And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.
It boggles the mind that after driving the economy into a ditch last time. A ditch that Biden has just pulled us out of, anybody could think Trump would be better on the economy. It would be like giving the keys back to a drunk driver right after the tow truck just pulled their car back on to the road.
And as for not looking after people who fell on hard times? Anybody who thinks the GOP would be better is, frankly, mad.
 


US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,334
Cleveland, OH
Such an odd system in the US. Early mail-in votes I can understand - but polling booths opening three weeks before the election day mystifies me.

I don't know about Georgia, but in Cuyahoga county there is only one place you can go vote early, and that's at the board of elections in downtown Cleveland.
 




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