[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[hampshirebrightonboy]

Who or what do you think is responsible for there being more morons than decent folk, i’d have thought it’s always been the case

Think it’s always been the case but they didn’t vote. Trump got them voting

 

[dwayne]

His opinions were also expressed when he was not Foreign Secretary. Should we all modify all our opinions now lest we at some future point find ourselves in a high profile position?

He was a front bencher for the opposition for god's sake. If I came out with a statement like this on social media against the CEO of a rival company I worked for I would be fired on the spot.

It was a childish and pathetic statement to put out.

 

[Hillian1]

No thanks. A short NSC holiday and a permanent thread ban on your return.

He does make a valid point though.

 

[kevo]

I was thinking about this last night, the worse thing that actually happened to America if you do not like Trump was not him winning the first term or even this term, it was losing in 2020, it would be over now.

Except we have no idea what might have happened in the last four years.

 

[BadFish]

I am looking forward to ' America's golden era'

If that is what we are getting though the 'again' in MaGa seems superfluous.

Can any of the red hatters on here tell me what the golden era is going to look like?

 

[Gazwag]

Why does Trump always walk off stage to the YMCA ?

Its it his Proud Boys walkout song

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I'm amazed arguments about OUR political differences has somehow broken out when you have America to compare it to.

We argue about boring shit like tickets to football matches, what "working people" means (when we all know) and words on a bus.

We need to do better. We are so boring.

The upside is, John Oliver's show is going to be excellent for the next 4 years.

 

[Vin]

He does make a valid point though.

@Giraffe could go from hero to zero in a few hours judging by some comments on here.

 

[jcdenton08]

Its it his Proud Boys walkout song

Yeah about that…

“Proud Boys”, performing the YMCA on stage, wearing half a pound of makeup…

Well, it’s all very gay, isn’t it?

 

[BadFish]

I'm amazed arguments about OUR political differences has somehow broken out when you have America to compare it to.

We argue about boring shit like tickets to football matches, what "working people" means (when we all know) and words on a bus.

We need to do better. We are so boring.

The upside is, John Oliver's show is going to be excellent for the next 4 years.

America's golden age of satire.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Just amazing given all that happened after the last election he's able to run and win again. Bleating about it being fixed, calling people asking for votes. Twiddling his thumbs whilst his supporters stormed the Capitol. Mental really.

We can debate the Republican vs. Democrat models all you like. I've accepted that America is weird and I know nothing of what it's like to live there. But I'm just so annoyed that they can't get someone in with at least a modicum of decency as a candidate. I'm trying not to think too much about his global impact as it's pretty depressing. But from a selfish point of view I just don't want to have to see/hear the orange tosspot for another 4 years.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Except we have no idea what might have happened in the last four years.

Every chance the ukraine war wouldn't have happened. Biden's policy was first of all, to tell Russia that America wouldn't stand in Russia's way if they invaded; second, to feed Ukraine with enough weapons to avoid defeat but not enough to win. In other words, the effect of his policy (it's hard to tell whether this was its aim, but surely not) was to let the war drag on.

We don't know what Harris's policy would have been and we don't know what Trump's will be. He hasn't made it clear, so far as I can tell, whether he wants Ukraine to win or whether he wants Russia to keep their gains. But it's not hard to think of scenarios better than what we have now.

 

[Pavilionaire]

One Hope from me in this is that it will push us inexorably closer to Europe.

This is the real rub. It should, but it won't.

The big fear with Brexit has now come true. Not only is our economy 5% down year on year but we are outside the EU and politically isolated, Trump is in charge in the States and seemingly sympathetic to Putin, who is waging war in Eastern Europe.

The brain says Customs Union / Single Market but Starmer and Badenoch have ruled that out. For me, it is by far the worst thing about Starmer and deprives the UK of an option that could be even more attractive once Trump brings in his disastrous tariff policy and the inevitable global chaos / trade wars that will ensue.

 

[BadFish]

We have jumped the shark now.

Ben Shapiro said it best when he nearly said. Voters feelings don't care about your facts.

 

[Commander]

I've only just logged on, but I assume this thread has been full of sensible, rational and non-tribal debate, with no name calling or throwing toys out the pram or anything like that since the direction the election was going in was known?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Every chance the ukraine war wouldn't have happened. Biden's policy was first of all, to tell Russia that America wouldn't stand in Russia's way if they invaded; second, to feed Ukraine with enough weapons to avoid defeat but not enough to win. In other words, the effect of his policy (it's hard to tell whether this was its aim, but surely not) was to let the war drag on.

We don't know what Harris's policy would have been and we don't know what Trump's will be. He hasn't made it clear, so far as I can tell, whether he wants Ukraine to win or whether he wants Russia to keep their gains. But it's not hard to think of scenarios better than what we have now.

What we have now is Ukrainians defending their country with success, holding Russian territory that they themselves invaded, draining the Russian economy so that interest rates and inflation are rampant, the Russian body count is through the roof and conscription is so difficult as there are no young men left to conscript without killing economic production at the same time so now that they have to call upon North Koreans troops to do their fighting, the Russian people are dissatisfied and the oligarchs are voicing their displeasure.

Another 12 months of this and Putin might have been gone. Until now.

 

[jcdenton08]

Every chance the ukraine war wouldn't have happened. Biden's policy was first of all, to tell Russia that America wouldn't stand in Russia's way if they invaded; second, to feed Ukraine with enough weapons to avoid defeat but not enough to win. In other words, the effect of his policy (it's hard to tell whether this was its aim, but surely not) was to let the war drag on.

We don't know what Harris's policy would have been and we don't know what Trump's will be. He hasn't made it clear, so far as I can tell, whether he wants Ukraine to win or whether he wants Russia to keep their gains. But it's not hard to think of scenarios better than what we have now.

Oh come on! I’m all for hypotheticals, but Trump’s position is extremely clear.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-blames-ukraines-zelenskiy-starting-war-with-russia-2024-10-17/

I don’t know if you’re playing devil’s advocate or what, but Trump and Putin’s relationship is undeniable. Trump called his move to invade Ukraine “genius” and “savvy”.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukraine-invasion-00010923

This is classic victim blaming. What you’re implying is that if Trump were president, Ukraine would’ve been convinced to cede even more territory to Russia to appease Putin.

Sound familiar?

 

[ROSM]

Yes but his opinions were pretty unprofessional. He has a job to do, shame he couldn't be more measured as we will suffer now.

One person who voiced similar comments to lammy has just been elected vice president.

His comments were back in 2017. Given what happened during that presidency, he wasn't wrong.

It is better to have a wary person now dealing with Trump than a sycophant.

The uk economy will be impacted if the US impose tariffs. Lammy's comments won't make that situation any worse.

Also don't forget that lammy and starmer both had a meeting with Trump in
New York a few weeks ago.

 

[Cordwainer]

America's golden age of satire.

Golden shower age surely?

(allegedly).

 

[BadFish]

I've only just logged on, but I assume this thread has been full of sensible, rational and non-tribal debate, with no name calling or throwing toys out the pram or anything like that since the direction the election was going in was known?

Right up until your post...


.... And now you have ruined it.