[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Albion my Albion]

Hopefully the beginning of the downfall?

Donald Trump and his company "repeatedly" violated fraud law, New York judge rules

"The documents here clearly contain fraudulent valuations that defendants used in business," Judge Engoron wrote in his ruling, ordering Trump's New York business certificates canceled.

www.cbsnews.com

For the Trump owned businesses in New York which is quite an extensive empire but does not keep the Donald from owning businesses in New Jersey, Florida, Illinois, Scotland or anywhere else that isn't in the State of New York (with a capital in Albany, NY)

 

[Change at Barnham]

Can I just say what a lovely map that is.
The schoolboy part of me could look at that for ages.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Can I just say what a lovely map that is.
The schoolboy part of me could look at that for ages.

Thank you.

Also, many Americans don't know that New York, outside of Buffalo/Niagara Falls, actually has one or two border crossings with Canada but I don't believe a lorry can cross there. You need to check with the US State Department.

 

[papachris]

BBC News - Sidney Powell: Trump ex-lawyer pleads guilty in Georgia election case

Sidney Powell: Trump ex-lawyer pleads guilty in Georgia election case

Sidney Powell will now testify for prosecutors at the trial where Donald Trump is a defendant.

www.bbc.co.uk

Interesting!

 

[Motogull]

Specifically, Powell was accused of hiring a forensics team and sending them to Coffee County to illegally access government computers to look at voter data.

Career over for her.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Specifically, Powell was accused of hiring a forensics team and sending them to Coffee County to illegally access government computers to look at voter data.

Career over for her.

Yeah but she stays out of jail, just like Scott Hall, another Trump goon. Both have pleaded guilty but have agreed to spill the beans against Trump in exchange for freedom.

Good luck to them I say. Hopefully this mean Trump is going down.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Yeah but she stays out of jail, just like Scott Hall, another Trump goon. Both have pleaded guilty but have agreed to spill the beans against Trump in exchange for freedom.

Good luck to them I say. Hopefully this mean Trump is going down.

Link me to somewhere it says the plea deal includes giving evidence against someone else?Evidence given under duress is inadmissible as far as I know but I'm no lawyer.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Link me to somewhere it says the plea deal includes giving evidence against someone else?Evidence given under duress is inadmissible as far as I know but I'm no lawyer.

Really?

That’s quite a shock.

This from the BBC:
“Powell, who was charged alongside the former president, reached a deal with prosecutors and will now testify at future trials.
There are 19 defendants in the case, most of whom have pleaded not guilty.
Powell faced charges of conspiracy to commit intentional interference of election duties.
Her agreement to testify, in exchange for six years of probation, is a huge win for prosecutors in the sweeping case.”

 

[chickens]

Link me to somewhere it says the plea deal includes giving evidence against someone else?Evidence given under duress is inadmissible as far as I know but I'm no lawyer.

Um, there’s a difference between a plea deal entered willingly, and evidence under duress. They’ve obviously got her bang to rights, or she wouldn’t have taken the deal.

Once one canary sings…

 

[schmunk]

Once one canary sings…

...they all die of asphyxiation?

 

[chickens]

...they all die of asphyxiation?

Only if Trump can organise a “Breaking Bad” style mass shanking.

(using plastic bags)

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Link me to somewhere it says the plea deal includes giving evidence against someone else?Evidence given under duress is inadmissible as far as I know but I'm no lawyer.

Does that mean you regret that Trump will, after all, go free, or hope he will?

 

[Seagull58]

Now that the kraken has taken a plea deal and agreed to testify I fear we are close to the point at which Trump unleashes the remaining Proud Boy, 3%er and other paramilitary loons to start the assassinations. Gym Jordan's failure to win the House Speakership leaves him with few alternatives.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Really?

That’s quite a shock.

This from the BBC:
“Powell, who was charged alongside the former president, reached a deal with prosecutors and will now testify at future trials.
There are 19 defendants in the case, most of whom have pleaded not guilty.
Powell faced charges of conspiracy to commit intentional interference of election duties.
Her agreement to testify, in exchange for six years of probation, is a huge win for prosecutors in the sweeping case.”

Again no reference to giving evidence against anyone. "faced charges of conspiracy to commit intentional interference of election duties." The key word here is "faced". It could be " I'll go check the election records to see if they cheated" which as they stated is illegal .

So there you have it, un authorised attempt to see if the election was fixed. Oh big crime of the century one well worth snitching on a college/friend for absolutely no reason..

 

[Badger Boy]

It is inevitable that the people who know they're criminally liable will attempt to reduce the negative consequences coming their way. They all broke the law, the cases aren't debatable or contestable, they're factual. The evidence is public, overwhelming and obvious. The only question is what punishment awaits one of the biggest criminals in American history.

 

[chickens]

Chesebro’s just flipped too. Each one has to give a little more than the last to justify their plea deal. This is beautiful to watch.

 

[Weststander]

Chesebro’s just flipped too. Each one has to give a little more than the last to justify their plea deal. This is beautiful to watch.

Interesting reading up on this. Trump, Cheesbro et al attempted to create fake results for 6 swing states to take to the Electoral College. Bypassing state governors and officials (with their true results), in the process.

We might not like his underlying politics, but Pence comes out of this well. A VP purportedly had the power to reject certificates and accept replacements. Pence refused to play ball.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...neth-chesebro-john-eastman-rudy-giuliani.html

The bare-faced hypocrisy and lies of Trump and Giuliani, they said Democrat votes were fraudulently high, all disproven in state court cases during those weeks. Thank god for a system that ultimately worked. The biggest superpower and economy was almost run for 4 more years via a corrupt act.

 

[Motogull]

This is serious stuff.

A bit like doctors being duty bound to treat not hurt and financial advisers not being allowed to be bankrupt, lawyers have to be straight. Copping a plea to conspiracy is a whopper. The US civil justice system is well sophisticated so the evidence must have been overwhelming.

Keep 'em coming.

 

[chickens]

Interesting reading up on this. Trump, Cheesbro et al attempted to create fake results for 6 swing states to take to the Electoral College. Bypassing state governors and officials (with their true results), in the process.

We might like his underlying politics, but Pence comes out of this well. A VP purportedly had the power to reject certificates and accept replacements. Pence refused to play ball.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...neth-chesebro-john-eastman-rudy-giuliani.html

The bare-faced hypocrisy and lies of Trump and Giuliani, they said Democrat votes were fraudulently high, all disproven in state court cases during those weeks. Thank god for a system that ultimately worked. The biggest superpower and economy was almost run for 4 more years via a corrupt act.

I absolutely agree, Pence showed a level of basic integrity that those around him lacked. It saddens me that he’s subsequently been treated so poorly by his own party.

It shows how little integrity is left in the current Republican Party that it feels like he’s been pretty much ostracised since he acted to save his party’s soul.

I loathe the rabid, short-term “win at all costs” mentality of modern politics. It drives us down the road of stupid, short term decision-making, when responsible government should be looking not just at what affects us now, but how that will impact our children and grandchildren. I’m not sure many U.K. or US politicians are capable of looking beyond the next election cycle.

 

[severnside gull]

Oh dear