Surely that violates the orders/promises around not commenting / threatening and so on. They need to stop him now.
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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*
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Surely that violates the orders/promises around not commenting / threatening and so on. They need to stop him now.
Weststander
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Trump is almost down there with Putin imho. In addition to his corruption, racism, mocking the disabled, mocking war veterans and families of the dead, illegal financial dealings, he caused deaths. His lies about the election loss whipped up a feeling of rabid injustice amongst bearded idiots …. people died in The Capitol that day.
This country, I have more faith. The party almost taken over by right wing weirdos will be obliterated in Dec 2024. My instinct is that the path to EU re-entry will start in the parliament after that.
The biggest danger to me in the UK is from social media (not NSC
). X and Facebook a cesspit for racists, antisemites, a hard left who imho will try to plague Starmer’s premiership with traps to bring him down.Hopefully the cerebral rest of the nation will support wise policies, ignoring the noise.
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Weststander
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US Seagull
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Not only that, but also this:
Trump fined $5,000 for social media post violating gag order in fraud trial
Judge Arthur Engoron avoided holding the ex-president in contempt for now, but reserved the right to do so
www.theguardian.com
One alternative is to flee to Moscow
There is much talked about the shortcomings of our electoral system. Some deserved, some less so. But IMHO the best thing about our system of democracy is it’s ruthlessness after an election.
If Rishi Sunak were facing an election today and lost, by mid-morning tomorrow he’d be gone. History. Carted off to his real home with a typewriter for his memoirs and a box of his trinkets. None of this fannying around for months in a transition period, which allows a malevolent actor like Trump to find a way to save his skin, just hooked and gone. It’s often underestimated, but when you see this sort of thing thank goodness that’s what happens.
US Seagull
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Fined $5,000Not only that, but also this:
Trump fined $5,000 for social media post violating gag order in fraud trial
Judge Arthur Engoron avoided holding the ex-president in contempt for now, but reserved the right to do so
It's a start, I guess?
Judge fines Donald Trump $5,000 after post maligning court staffer is found on campaign website
Donald Trump has been fined $5,000 after a disparaging social media post about a key court staffer in his New York civil fraud case was allowed to linger on his campaign website after the judge ordered it deleted.
apnews.com
nicko31
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I really just can't believe pretty much half the population thinks its the interests of their country to have him as President.Trump is almost down there with Putin imho. In addition to his corruption, racism, mocking the disabled, mocking war veterans and families of the dead, illegal financial dealings, he caused deaths. His lies about the election loss whipped up a feeling of rabid injustice amongst bearded idiots …. people died in The Capitol that day.
This country, I have more faith. The party almost taken over by right wing weirdos will be obliterated in Dec 2024. My instinct is that the path to EU re-entry will start in the parliament after that.
The biggest danger to me in the UK is from social media (not NSC
Hopefully the cerebral rest of the nation will support wise policies, ignoring the noise.
A year ago all the talk was it would be good for Biden if Trump came through as candidate and he will be sure to lose, now we talking he has a realistic chance of winning. Its like America has been convinced he was never that bad after all
US Seagull
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I'd dispute "pretty much half" claim. He never got anywhere near half the popular vote, losing twice in fact. He got about 46-47% of the popular vote in elections with turn out around 60-66%. So really, less than a third of the population.
Is he dead yet?
Please would someone bounce this post when he is. There has been too much equivocation on the matter.
Please would someone bounce this post when he is. There has been too much equivocation on the matter.
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Pretty similar to Thatcher then.
Weststander
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I know elections don’t work like this and I’m including kids, but I take comfort that only 74m out of 333m supported him or 22%. Pre; his criminal, seditious, corrupt self was exposed!
The 74m would be absolute peak, as GOP are a rich and well oiled machine. Every conservative or right wing adult is a registered voter who physically votes.
Tens of millions of those are lifelong Republicans, decent people, not racists, but it’s in their DNA to support a lower taxation/entrepreneurial party, smaller government, there are millions are Latino’s who loath Castro so feel an affinity with an anti left party. Many loath Trump, but it’s the lesser of two perceived evils.
Whilst vast numbers of the poor, black folk, ethnic Mexicans are disenfranchised, not registered to vote. Some right wing state administrations put obstacles in the way of these people.
If non-GOP forces could just get their electoral act together, tw@ts like Gym Jordan would never have an ounce of power ever again.
US Seagull
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True, but she faced two other serious opponents. So winning an outright majority was always going to be tough. Trump only faced one opponent and still couldn't even get a plurality of votes, let alone a majority.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Even against Biden, who doesn't seem entirely with it all the time.
Rubbish - there hasn't been a viable 'third party' in this country for ..... well, pretty much ever. The nearest the Lib Dems ever got (or ever will get) to power is by sacrificing their principles and joining the Tories as a very minor second party in a coalition (essentially Tory) government.
As a threat to anybody? - not in a million years!
nicko31
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I hear you, but 46-47 percent of pretty much half of those who turned out.
The Republicans haven’t had the popular vote since George Bush senior but the flawed system keeps letting them win.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
There has been four different occasions of a LibLab pact.
US Seagull
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In 1987, Thatchers third and final election, the Liberal / SDP alliance (the proto-Lib Dems) got 23% of the vote. Labour got about 30%. They were about as viable as Labour.
In 83, they had 25% of the vote.
Exactly - absolutely no viable threat in a first past the post system.
US Seagull
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We were talking about % of the popular vote.