[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Crawley Dingo]

Interesting reading up on this. Trump, Cheesbro et al attempted to create fake results for 6 swing states to take to the Electoral College. Bypassing state governors and officials (with their true results), in the process.

We might not like his underlying politics, but Pence comes out of this well. A VP purportedly had the power to reject certificates and accept replacements. Pence refused to play ball.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...neth-chesebro-john-eastman-rudy-giuliani.html

The bare-faced hypocrisy and lies of Trump and Giuliani, they said Democrat votes were fraudulently high, all disproven in state court cases during those weeks. Thank god for a system that ultimately worked. The biggest superpower and economy was almost run for 4 more years via a corrupt act.

Its a nothing burger, referencing your second sentence the common retort is "How where they expecting to get away with that?" Its Mickey mouse stuff like being accused of fraud on a loan repaid 20 years ago and claiming the borrower gets to set the collateral's value.

 

[Weststander]

Its a nothing burger, referencing your second sentence the common retort is "How where they expecting to get away with that?" Its Mickey mouse stuff like being accused of fraud on a loan repaid 20 years ago and claiming the borrower gets to set the collateral's value.

 

[Weststander]

Fraud is fraud. Getting lucky with later asset value increases is irrelevant in law.

 

[nwgull]

Is he dead yet?

Please would someone bounce this post when he is. There has been too much equivocation on the matter.

When I get news flashes on my watch, I genuinely look at them with a small hope that Trump has had a massive heart attack and dropped dead.

 

[Albion my Albion]

I absolutely agree, Pence showed a level of basic integrity that those around him lacked. It saddens me that he’s subsequently been treated so poorly by his own party.

When Mike Pence was governor of my state of Indiana he was responsible for losing large amounts of money for the state by signing into law a way for the state of Indiana to discriminate against LGBTQ groups. Several national groups pulled their conventions out of Indianapolis and it ended costing the state $billions. Once MiPe (later VP) realized what kind of money it was costing Indiana he had the law rewritten but the loss in revenue was well in place because it is difficult to change national convention plans so late in the game. MiPe has integrity but his dedication to his ultra religious convictions has cost him dearly in the past. Only an idiot like Trump used him and thought he would compromise his principles and integrity.

 

[Albion my Albion]

When I get news flashes on my watch, I genuinely look at them with a small hope that Trump has had a massive heart attack and dropped dead.

Somehow the Trump Republicans would make a martyr out of The Donald and then they would get some other asshole Republican to get elected off the love of the dead Trump. In the end it might turn out to be worse if Trump were to drop dead now and the Republicans would surely accuse a Democrat (Hunter Biden maybe) of murdering The Donald.

 

[sparkie]

Is he dead yet?

Please would someone bounce this post when he is. There has been too much equivocation on the matter.

Indeed. I ponder this question most days.

Tbh he seems to be immortal. I could well go first at this rate.

 

[sparkie]

Somehow the Trump Republicans would make a martyr out of The Donald and then they would get some other asshole Republican to get elected off the love of the dead Trump. In the end it might turn out to be worse if Trump were to drop dead now and the Republicans would surely accuse a Democrat (Hunter Biden maybe) of murdering The Donald.

All the evidence would of course be on his all-truth-telling laptop.

 

[Seagull58]

Again no reference to giving evidence against anyone. "faced charges of conspiracy to commit intentional interference of election duties." The key word here is "faced". It could be " I'll go check the election records to see if they cheated" which as they stated is illegal .

So there you have it, un authorised attempt to see if the election was fixed. Oh big crime of the century one well worth snitching on a college/friend for absolutely no reason..

"WILL NOW TESTIFY AT FUTURE TRIALS".
Is that not clear enough for you?. It is standard practise in US plea deals for the deal to include a commitment to testify truthfully against co-conspirators.

 

[Seagull58]

I absolutely agree, Pence showed a level of basic integrity that those around him lacked. It saddens me that he’s subsequently been treated so poorly by his own party.

It shows how little integrity is left in the current Republican Party that it feels like he’s been pretty much ostracised since he acted to save his party’s soul.

I loathe the rabid, short-term “win at all costs” mentality of modern politics. It drives us down the road of stupid, short term decision-making, when responsible government should be looking not just at what affects us now, but how that will impact our children and grandchildren. I’m not sure many U.K. or US politicians are capable of looking beyond the next election cycle.

Has Pence ever acknowledged that Biden won the election? That is a basic test of integrity.

 

[chickens]

Has Pence ever acknowledged that Biden won the election? That is a basic test of integrity.

It appears so:

Trump wrong to say I could overturn Biden win - Pence https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60266121

 

[Zeberdi]

Has Pence ever acknowledged that Biden won the election? That is a basic test of integrity.

He didn’t get a lot of choice tbh! - The Vice President is also President of the Senate whose role is to preside over the Senate. Part of that role is to be the Presiding Officer for the final tabulation of votes, formally declare the results of the count and announce the winners of both the Vice Presidency and Presidency . He did so while looking like he had a the smell of a dead rat under his nose though;


Trump’s beef with Pence was that as Presiding Officer, he said Pence had the power to reject votes and overturn the result - which actually isn’t actually the case, the Presiding Officer’s role is ministerial under the Constitution - it is in fact, the role of Congress as a body to vote on accepting or rejecting the count. Trump was also incensed that Pence’s legal office looked into claims of fraud but announced they could not find any evidence that the ‘irregularities’ they found were substantive enough to have made a difference to the result. (Which was Pence’s way of agreeing with Trump without agreeing with him!). Pence acted in the sleeziest way possible though - said just enough to fulfil his constitutional role while keeping the door open for himself to garner support from Trump’s base and the majority of the GOP - with an eye of running for 2024.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

"WILL NOW TESTIFY AT FUTURE TRIALS".
Is that not clear enough for you?. It is standard practise in US plea deals for the deal to include a commitment to testify truthfully against co-conspirators.

No it isn't. The difference is between a plea deal and becoming states evidence. Is that clear enough for you?

 

[Albion my Albion]

No it isn't. The difference is between a plea deal and becoming states evidence. Is that clear enough for you?

But it could have been included in Sidney Powell's plea deal and the mostly truthful news media (non-conservative) are reporting it that way.

 

[Albion my Albion]

He didn’t get a lot of choice tbh! - The Vice President is also President of the Senate whose role is to preside over the Senate. Part of that role is to be the Presiding Officer for the final tabulation of votes, formally declare the results of the count and announce the winners of both the Vice Presidency and Presidency.

If Trump had been Vice President he would have found a way to declare his chosen presidential candidate as president. Of course Trump would have never been satisfied with being ONLY the VP.

 

[Albion my Albion]

But it could have been included in Sidney Powell's plea deal and the mostly truthful news media (non-conservative) are reporting it that way.

As part of the deal, she will serve six years of probation, will be fined $6,000 and will have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents. She also recorded a statement for prosecutors and agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials.

Sidney Powell pleads guilty over efforts to overturn Trump's loss in Georgia and agrees to cooperate

Lawyer Sidney Powell pleaded guilty to reduced charges Thursday over efforts to overturn Donald Trump’s loss in the 2020 election in Georgia.

apnews.com

 

[Motogull]

As part of the deal, she will serve six years of probation, will be fined $6,000 and will have to write an apology letter to Georgia and its residents. She also recorded a statement for prosecutors and agreed to testify truthfully against her co-defendants at future trials.

Sidney Powell pleads guilty over efforts to overturn Trump's loss in Georgia and agrees to cooperate

Lawyer Sidney Powell pleaded guilty to reduced charges Thursday over efforts to overturn Donald Trump’s loss in the 2020 election in Georgia.

apnews.com

And Fox news add:

The rest of the defendants include former President Donald Trump, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, former Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis and many others.

Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell pleads guilty in Georgia election interference case

Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, one of 19 defendants in Fulton County (Georgia) District Attorney Fani Willis' indictment, pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor charges relating to the 2020 presidential election.

www.foxnews.com

 

[bhafc99]

That woman was off the scales batshit crazy.

Remember those legendary press conferences, with her ranting about Krakens, Guilani with rivers of hair dye rolling down his face, the ‘Four Seasons Landscaping Company’….

 

[Seagull58]

No it isn't. The difference is between a plea deal and becoming states evidence. Is that clear enough for you?

You are in denial. She has agreed to testify.

 

[Seagull58]

But it could have been included in Sidney Powell's plea deal and the mostly truthful news media (non-conservative) are reporting it that way.

It was and they did. The dingo is in denial.