[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Uh_huh_him]

That is the opposite of what another poster told me yesterday. @Bry Nylon was that you?

Ok to be more precise:

The vast majority of voters do not critically analyse the proposition of the candidates to assess the impact of their policies.
Most will take the headline from each candidates policy and make a gut reaction as to whether it fits with their view on what the issue is.

In difficult times, the fact the incumbent has failed to resolve the issues within the current term, will shape the view on whether they can trust the policies on offer. Leading to an advantage for the challenger, when it comes to assessing the two propositions.

TLDR
All voters are voting for "make it better" - In the main, who they trust, isn't based on analysis of policy.

 

[Igzilla]

There is no bigger Trump fan on this board than me. What a result.

TRUMP WILL FIX IT

Presumably, you're fine with this then, as this is all part of Project 2025,

 

[Curious Orange]

We only ever seem to hear these petrifying tales of ‘the left’ ‘pushing a woke agenda’, but rarely does anyone explain what that actually means.

Agreed, it is definitely a placeholder for set of disparate grievances, thus making it meaningless, and grates every time I hear it. They need to be specific and list what is upsetting them, as that *should* open up discussion.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Presumably, you're fine with this then, as this is all part of Project 2025,

Some Americans are church weridos, this is not new is it?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Presumably, you're fine with this then, as this is all part of Project 2025,

Baffling. It's one thing holding certain thoughts, but who in their right mind makes a placard with 'Women are Property' written on it?

Is this for real?

 

[BBassic]

Agreed, it is definitely a placeholder for set of disparate grievances, thus making it meaningless, and grates every time I hear it. They need to be specific and list what is upsetting them, as that *should* open up discussion.

Interesting thread on Reddit about the Gen Z vote lurching right and some of the people in that thread explaining why they'd voted for Trump were saying it was a combination of feeling like they'd been ostracised by the Woke Left and also because the Republicans promise a return to "traditional values"

Y'know - none of that queer stuff, women back in the kitchen (or in the maternity ward), persons of colour maybe not having as many freedoms as they currently enjoy. That sort of stuff.

I'm sure it'll all be fine though. Trump promised he had no idea what Project 2025 even was.

 

[beorhthelm]

Your man has said this though. He has said that this would be the last election if he won. That is - no normal election in 4 years time.

That's nothing to do with hype or the media - that's straight out of the mouth of your chosen one.

Or are you saying he was lying yet again?

given he lies so much, fails to deliver on so much more, why assume this area is something he'll successfully follow through on? it's not in his power as President, it's up to the legislators in Senate and House. if indeed they want to overturn their entire structure of democracy, restructure their republic they hold so dearly, that's another matter.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Ok to be more precise:

The vast majority of voters do not critically analyse the proposition of the candidates to assess the impact of their policies.
Most will take the headline from each candidates policy and make a gut reaction as to whether it fits with their view on what the issue is.

In difficult times, the fact the incumbent has failed to resolve the issues within the current term, will shape the view on whether they can trust the policies on offer. Leading to an advantage for the challenger, when it comes to assessing the two propositions.

TLDR
All voters are voting for "make it better" - In the main, who they trust, isn't based on analysis of policy.

I agree to a point. Politics aside, Trump is such a well known reprehensible person, aligning oneself with him says a lot about one's own moral values.

 

[Seagull58]

24 hours on and when you take it all in Emily Maitlis wasn’t far wrong it is kind of batshit, he said in a live debate immigrants were eating household pets, he was the first ever US President to be criminally prosecuted and was found guilty, he let an openly racist ‘comedian’ speak at one of his blue riband rallies, MSG, yet still had the majority of voting Americans tick his box.

The total vote is rather strange; 14 million fewer Dem votes than 2020 AND 2 million fewer GOP votes than 2020, so 16 million LESS people voted than last time despite this being touted as an existential crisis for democracy. I wonder if there are millions of uncounted (mainly Dem) mail-in votes stashed away? Just wondering.

 

[Curious Orange]

Interesting thread on Reddit about the Gen Z vote lurching right and some of the people in that thread explaining why they'd voted for Trump were saying it was a combination of feeling like they'd been ostracised by the Woke Left and also because the Republicans promise a return to "traditional values"

Y'know - none of that queer stuff, women back in the kitchen (or in the maternity ward), persons of colour maybe not having as many freedoms as they currently enjoy. That sort of stuff.

I'm sure it'll all be fine though. Trump promised he had no idea what Project 2025 even was.

Traditional values doesn't necessarily mean removing women's rights, or removing rights based on ethnicity, does it? I'm sure most people think of it more in terms of stable family and community lives. Is that bad?

 

[BBassic]

Traditional values doesn't necessarily mean removing women's right, or removing rights based on ethnicity, does it? I'm sure most people think of it more in terms of stable family and community lives. Is that bad?

No of course it doesn't necessarily mean that. But I'll eat my hat if some of the people who've voted for him don't have that as their end goal.

When you consider they've already done away with Roe V Wade it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think more changes are in the pipeline.

To your second point - what defines a "family"? Two loving parents and a child. Is it OK if those parents are two men? Two women? Two transgender people?

I'm not asking you to actually define that by the way - merely pointing out that some people (and some of those people might well end up in Trumps cabinet) will have an extermely well defined idea of a family which doesn't include any of the scenarios I just listed.

 

[Seagull58]

And the Latin vote was up 14% !! That comedian must have been a genius stroke as everyone clearly hates Puerto Ricans.

Including Puerto Ricans, who voted in large numbers for Trump.

 

[Lenny Rider]

The total vote is rather strange; 14 million fewer Dem votes than 2020 AND 2 million fewer GOP votes than 2020, so 16 million LESS people voted than last time despite this being touted as an existential crisis for democracy. I wonder if there are millions of uncounted (mainly Dem) mail-in votes stashed away? Just wondering.

Didn’t realise that, very strange almost the stuff of conspiracy theorists, an outsider might question the Dems have had this election ‘stolen’ from them?

 

[Curious Orange]

No of course it doesn't necessarily mean that. But I'll eat my hat if some of the people who've voted for him don't have that as their end goal.

When you consider they've already done away with Roe V Wade it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think more changes are in the pipeline.

To your second point - what defines a "family"? Two loving parents and a child. Is it OK if those parents are two men? Two women? Two transgender people?

I'm not asking you to actually define that by the way - merely pointing out that some people (and some of those people might well end up in Trumps cabinet) will have an extermely well defined idea of a family which doesn't include any of the scenarios I just listed.

I don't disagree with any of that, and it's those some that need to be kept in check on either side of the political divide. For example, removing women's rights to bodily autonomy by the extreme right, is just as bad as trying to remove their rights to female only spaces and sports by the extreme left.

 

[nicko31]

Tarrifs on goods from China will certainly make sure prices keep increasing.

They might set up some labour camps, might offset things a bit

 

[pb21]

The total vote is rather strange; 14 million fewer Dem votes than 2020 AND 2 million fewer GOP votes than 2020, so 16 million LESS people voted than last time despite this being touted as an existential crisis for democracy. I wonder if there are millions of uncounted (mainly Dem) mail-in votes stashed away? Just wondering.

It is a bit stange.

2008: GOP 60.0m DEM 69.5m Total 129.5m
2012: GOP 61.0m DEM 66.0m Total 127.0m
2016: GOP 63.0m DEM 65.8m Total 128.8m
2020: GOP 74.2m DEM 81.3m Total 155.5m
2024: GOP 72.6m DEM 68.0m Total 140.6m

Massive increse in 2020 generally and for Dem specifically.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

They might set up some labour camps, might offset things a bit

They already have a massive prison estate, with compulsory, low paid labour...

 

[nicko31]

Not sure if its been discussed on here but apparently Gen Z men took a big step to the right in this election. Men aged 18-29 turned out for Trump which I think is pretty concerning.

It's the influence of bellends like Andrew Tate coming to the fore. Yet another thing for the women of America to be worried about.

My own kids listen to this stuff and at times I see misogyny slipping into their language toward their own mother. This doesn't mean they agree with the likes of Tate and company. Farage was targeting this age group at the last election, wait till the dark money starts hitting Reform.

Its an eye opener

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I’m not an apologist for the guy, and I agree it’s incredibly unlikely to come to his attention. I’ll leave it to the mods who are(n’t) paid to know what can stand and what can’t, but I’d advise being sure of your ground when describing someone as you had before editing, it is the kind of accusation that people will get upset about.

The thing is, everybody’s fully aware of his past, and they voted for him anyway.

Lots of sane American swing voters, fully aware of their candidate’s past and views, looked at the two options available and went for the one they thought would be better for them.

Self-interest > moral considerations in America. It’s the American way. And this is the country that owns us.

For someone who is not an apologist for the orange bumble****, you certainly seem happy to stand up for him.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I’ve only just stopped laughing at the decision by Channel 4 to cast Stormy Daniels next to Boris Johnson as an equal political commentator and for Johnson to seemingly take it seriously with such retort as “Stormy that is preposterous” and “Stormy, I know the man”